Unmasking Elon Musk

[sugilite:Me]

I see musk has joined trump on the trigger the right wing mob to rain merry hell on judges and their families. Not mentioned in the article below is the fact Musk also posted the question what benefits is this particular so called corrupt judges family receiving.

Imagine just the act of being related to a judge suddenly earns you getting intimidated, threatend with bodily harm, death and rape by in some cases hundreds of right wing thugs online.
https://www.kron4.com/news/national/...s-impeachment/

Intimidation, thuggery and real harm doesn't just come packaged in riotous mobs looting shops and setting fire to cars.

[TheDemonLord]

Comparing exposure from one of the most popular streaming shows and the words of mostly obscure (to the general public - most even couldn't recite Marx's teachings) philosophers is such a long stretch of the bow I'm surprised the string didn't snap!

Is it though?

Consider the concept of Equity. Who here has seen this meme? In fact, a print-out of this exists in the staff room at my childrens school

How many of those know of the history of the concept of Equity and its modern incarnation that is derived from various Marxist theories?

Or what about Decolonization? (Frantz Fanon)
Or Anti-Racism (Ibram X Kendi)
Or DIE? (Lewis Brown Griggs)
Or Privilege? (Peggy McIntosh)
Or LGBTQIA+? (Guy Hocquenghem)

All of these concepts have roots in various marxist theories

Squid Games, although maybe not directly watched by children (but I bet plenty did watch it on Netflix), was frequently displayed on social media platforms that children do frequent. I'm not of the belief that your average arsonist is exposed to the the teachings of these philosophers, rather just acting out of anger and hatred for trump and Musk. Musk's company makes cars. Cars make an easy target. Maybe a few are, but I'd wager their misguided anger was already there and enough to act upon, they didn't need a philosopher to encourage them.

So, I want to draw a clear distinction - I am not saying the average arsonist is exposed to the direct teachings of those philosophers.

I am, however, saying that they are exposed to the downstream effects of it.

One does not need to read Rousseau to have heard the phrase "Eat the Rich".
Likewise, one does not need to have read Satre to think it is justified to hate your oppressor.

I acknowledge the point you are making here that no everyone who lashes out in anger is well versed in the reasons they are doing it - but what I am saying is that they have heard the meta-ideas, repeated to them by Teachers, professors, activists, Politicians, Memes and other sources that have been extracted from the above philosophers.

[onearmedbandit]

Is it though?

Consider the concept of Equity. Who here has seen this meme? In fact, a print-out of this exists in the staff room at my childrens school

How many of those know of the history of the concept of Equity and its modern incarnation that is derived from various Marxist theories?

Or what about Decolonization? (Frantz Fanon)
Or Anti-Racism (Ibram X Kendi)
Or DIE? (Lewis Brown Griggs)
Or Privilege? (Peggy McIntosh)
Or LGBTQIA+? (Guy Hocquenghem)

All of these concepts have roots in various marxist theories



So, I want to draw a clear distinction - I am not saying the average arsonist is exposed to the direct teachings of those philosophers.

I am, however, saying that they are exposed to the downstream effects of it.

One does not need to read Rousseau to have heard the phrase "Eat the Rich".
Likewise, one does not need to have read Satre to think it is justified to hate your oppressor.

I acknowledge the point you are making here that no everyone who lashes out in anger is well versed in the reasons they are doing it - but what I am saying is that they have heard the meta-ideas, repeated to them by Teachers, professors, activists, Politicians, Memes and other sources that have been extracted from the above philosophers.

My god man. My point was that those who are attacking people's personal property need to be brought to account. You wade in with assertions of why they are doing it. It makes no difference what their beliefs/motives/understandings are, they simply need to be brought to justice.

[pritch]

If Tesla want to survive they need to ditch Musk yesterday. He is no genius, he's a seriously stupid A hole who has wrecked a promising company. They had a lead in the industry but as time passes other manufacturers are able to do it better and cheaper. Musk had little input into the design of the cars. The vehicle to which he made the biggest contribution was the Cybertruck which from the launch has been an embarrassing failure.

Musk is now the immigrant most Americans want deported. That number will only grow as more realise what's he's doing.

[TheDemonLord]

It makes no difference what their beliefs/motives/understandings are, they simply need to be brought to justice.

And I beg to differ.

Brought to justice is one thing, but stopping the ideas that drive them to do it in the first place is another.

Would you rather a prison system overflowing with wannabe revolutionaries who have destroyed other peoples property, or would you rather that they didn't do it in the first place?

[onearmedbandit]

And I beg to differ.

Brought to justice is one thing, but stopping the ideas that drive them to do it in the first place is another.

Would you rather a prison system overflowing with wannabe revolutionaries who have destroyed other peoples property, or would you rather that they didn't do it in the first place?

Answer me this. Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without the need for communism and all other factors you have mentioned?

[TheDemonLord]

Answer me this. Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without the need for communism and all other factors you have mentioned?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:

I first want to clarify on Hate.

Hate is not critique. There are plenty of critiques that can be levelled at people who are rich and powerful of all stripes.
Nor is Hate wanting an equal application of the law.
Nor is Hate any N number of things that on an individual basis, one might level at an individual Rich and Powerful person.

I am not one to mention George Soros a lot, because at this point he is borderline a meme and the Right Wing Boogeyman... That said, there is a reasonable amount of evidence that he uses part of his wealth and power to fund certain groups that have a revolutionary flavor about them. One can raise this disagreement and even strong negative emotions against the Individual, George Soros, without hating the rich and powerful.

So - now that I am clear on what I interpret Hate to mean, let me get to why I say No - and some eagle-eyes writers will fairly saying I am doing a bit of Bait and Switch here - which is partly true.

If you peel back all the layers that sit on top of a seemingly innocous idea, right at the very core is one Fundamental idea that of: Jealousy and Envy.

And whilst I am not religious, I think it is no coincidence that this is considered one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Communism just so happens to be the most popular cloak for which the envious and the jealous wrap themselves in, so as to kid themselves that they are righteous. Tomorrow it might be something else.

And to the point you are making - if I had the power to eradicate all traces of Marx and the various derived ideas, then yes - I feel there would be a lot less people who were so pre-disposed to hating the Rich and Powerful...

But there would still be the Envy and Jealousy in the hearts of Man.

All of the various derived ideas that flow from Marxism (in all its forms) feed this idea, give it a veneer of social acceptability, give a framework, an academic backing, scholarly weight etc.

Thus, from my perspective, Communism etc. is both a placeholder and fuel for Envy and Jealousy (this is the bait and switch I am talking about) - and if we fold that back into your question:

"Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without Envy and Jealousy?"

My answer, I think, makes more sense.

When framed in that way, what would be your answer?

[R650R]

An interesting side note. A VERY wealthy man Charlie Munger (Warren Buffetts side kick) stated in an interview that Envy is the problem in the world not Greed when it comes to riches. He worked this out when he was about 7 years old and the results are self evident.
A life spent working out how to be successful and not worrying about what others have.

[onearmedbandit]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:

I first want to clarify on Hate.

Hate is not critique. There are plenty of critiques that can be levelled at people who are rich and powerful of all stripes.
Nor is Hate wanting an equal application of the law.
Nor is Hate any N number of things that on an individual basis, one might level at an individual Rich and Powerful person.

I am not one to mention George Soros a lot, because at this point he is borderline a meme and the Right Wing Boogeyman... That said, there is a reasonable amount of evidence that he uses part of his wealth and power to fund certain groups that have a revolutionary flavor about them. One can raise this disagreement and even strong negative emotions against the Individual, George Soros, without hating the rich and powerful.

So - now that I am clear on what I interpret Hate to mean, let me get to why I say No - and some eagle-eyes writers will fairly saying I am doing a bit of Bait and Switch here - which is partly true.

If you peel back all the layers that sit on top of a seemingly innocous idea, right at the very core is one Fundamental idea that of: Jealousy and Envy.

And whilst I am not religious, I think it is no coincidence that this is considered one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Communism just so happens to be the most popular cloak for which the envious and the jealous wrap themselves in, so as to kid themselves that they are righteous. Tomorrow it might be something else.

And to the point you are making - if I had the power to eradicate all traces of Marx and the various derived ideas, then yes - I feel there would be a lot less people who were so pre-disposed to hating the Rich and Powerful...

But there would still be the Envy and Jealousy in the hearts of Man.

All of the various derived ideas that flow from Marxism (in all its forms) feed this idea, give it a veneer of social acceptability, give a framework, an academic backing, scholarly weight etc.

Thus, from my perspective, Communism etc. is both a placeholder and fuel for Envy and Jealousy (this is the bait and switch I am talking about) - and if we fold that back into your question:

"Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without Envy and Jealousy?"

My answer, I think, makes more sense.

When framed in that way, what would be your answer?

Walking away now. Enjoy your day.

[pritch]

Just saw Musk bagging "the left" 'cause a dude set fire to some Teslas in a car yard. For a "genius" he's seriously stupid. It was "the left" who were buying his cars. The right don't even believe in global warming and they just want to keep driving their V8 trucks.
The more stupid politicians on the right have been dissing EVs all along. So now suddenly Trump approves of EVs? Sean Hannity "bought" one? That's not going to help much.

Musk meanwhile is busy alienating his entire potential US market. SMH

[sugilite:Me]

Just saw Musk bagging "the left" 'cause a dude set fire to some Teslas in a car yard. For a "genius" he's seriously stupid. It was "the left" who were buying his cars. The right don't even believe in global warming and they just want to keep driving their V8 trucks.
The more stupid politicians on the right have been dissing EVs all along. So now suddenly Trump approves of EVs? Sean Hannity "bought" one? That's not going to help much.

Musk meanwhile is busy alienating his entire potential US market. SMH

All good points. I also thought about all the veterans and other government workers he has illegally fired. If course plenty of those will be right leaning people who now have an axe to grind with elon. The dick has this antagonizing and performative nature to what he is doing, then wonders why people are getting angry.

[Dean]

Saw an article of teslas across Auckland being vandalised - disgusting behaviour.

The funny thing is that, generally, the left have higher ownership rates in the electric and hybrid vehicle market, such as Teslas

[Pursang]

[sugilite:Me]

Elon thinskin free speech absolutist at it again.



We can drop any pretense he is that.
The man is just a compulsive liar now and cannot be trusted to say anything truthful. Really sad.

[nerrrd]

Saw an article of teslas across Auckland being vandalised - disgusting behaviour.

The funny thing is that, generally, the left have higher ownership rates in the electric and hybrid vehicle market, such as Teslas

Well, graffiti as a form of political dissent is thousands of years old, so we humans are pretty disgusting. "Romani ite domum" for example.



I'm not sure society is as binary (left vs right) as it is in your head. Some people might just think Elon is being a dick.