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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    It's not a political issue though is it? The pollies don't actually have any direct control over Waka Kotahi or any of the other Transport Agencies, do they? These days politicians don't like getting their hands dirty by interfering in the actual day to day operations of the various government agencies.

    Changing that would be a pretty bold step for National (or Labour) philosophically, so I'll believe it when I see it.
    I'd guess the process is gummint makes noises about the road toll and wanka kotahi brainstorm and think of something they think would work. If it works gummnt can take the credit and if it doesn't w-k can take the blame
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    It's not a political issue though is it? The pollies don't actually have any direct control over Waka Kotahi or any of the other Transport Agencies, do they? These days politicians don't like getting their hands dirty by interfering in the actual day to day operations of the various government agencies.

    Changing that would be a pretty bold step for National (or Labour) philosophically, so I'll believe it when I see it.
    I’m pretty sure a written directive from
    Minister will make it happen.
    After all they didn’t decide to blow their own budgets on all the Maori name stuff by themselves did they?
    It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years
    And that right thar is the problem. The long term planning and investment required in most areas of society come with a certain amount of pain for us plebs. Guaranteed election killers. That's why we keep going round in circles, holding on to power is more important than using it.

    It's all screwed, we might as well vote for our favourite Disney character in this election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    I’m pretty sure a written directive from
    Minister will make it happen.
    After all they didn’t decide to blow their own budgets on all the Maori name stuff by themselves did they?
    It would be a nice rose tinted world if govt departments operated on their own initiative with plans longer than three years
    And right there you show that you don't know how govt works.

    For the sake of argument.... Lets say an incoming national minister wants to reverse the speed limit lowering - as seems quite possible.
    He will have it pointed out to him that it's contrary to already agreed departmental policy - and be told the arguments that made it policy.
    If he persists then it will be pointed out to him that he will have to answer questions both in Parliament and publicly why an agrred life saving policy was changed.
    Including the good one - Are you going to take personal responsibilty for any increase in the road toll ?

    After this and after he's been dressed down in caucus he will announce a working party on the question.


    Govt departments do have long term plans. Only minor adjustments can be done by politicians of any party. The dual language signage was I expect agreed to a long time ago - maybe even by a National minister - and is only now working it's way to public notice.

    I've worked in local govt, a major Quango and the Public Service. The right wing politicians are the worst.

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    You do have to wonder why the 2022 Road to Zero Monitoring Report is two months behind when it was released last year. I am going to guess it would be full of bad news that would embarrass the sitting government before an election and NZTA know they are better off with red rather than blue in the big house.

    it would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.

    The bi-lingual signs issue will be put to bed immediately. Speed limits will be different as there will be push back from various other agencies and you can't argue with physics, even though I do like to try on my morning commute. Once a new government sees the income that is received from all the speeding fines I think they will pull their heads in a bit and go off looking for another scapegoat - overseas drivers I reckon, they're an easy target.

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    Luxon (or his backers) and probably more to the point, Seymours wet dream. Long but scary. This sort of thing is probably every conservatives (Sunak, Le Pen, etc, not just USA) dream scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3UvaC5m7o
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    And for those who think National will bring a good weekly tax cut, ok if you are among the lucky 3000, the rest of you, maybe not so much...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWwx9w1MM8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    You do have to wonder why the 2022 Road to Zero Monitoring Report is two months behind when it was released last year. I am going to guess it would be full of bad news that would embarrass the sitting government before an election and NZTA know they are better off with red rather than blue in the big house.

    it would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.

    The bi-lingual signs issue will be put to bed immediately. Speed limits will be different as there will be push back from various other agencies and you can't argue with physics, even though I do like to try on my morning commute. Once a new government sees the income that is received from all the speeding fines I think they will pull their heads in a bit and go off looking for another scapegoat - overseas drivers I reckon, they're an easy target.
    How much revenue is speed fines? Preferably just the camera data as I’ve debated before that patrol car revenue doesn’t stack up against costs of operation.

    Btw in the interests of equality should we have multi lingual signage. You know like at the airport???
    How long til all signage becomes digital anyway???? Eg you will have an integral Satnav in your car and due to anti terrorism laws 3.0 you have to prean and submit your journey plan to a state agency for approval to travel/pollute…
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    3.0 you have to prean and submit your journey plan to a state agency for approval to travel/pollute…
    Sounds like hell.
    having to drive a designated predetermined route
    GPS tracking your progress.
    your speeds and driving technique.
    stopping at approved places.
    having to take mandatory rest breaks.
    The state requires you to only drive for x amount of hours per day and week.
    it would almost be like being a long-haul truck driver.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    And for those who think National will bring a good weekly tax cut, ok if you are among the lucky 3000, the rest of you, maybe not so much...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWwx9w1MM8

    it gets even worse
    Goldman Sach the world largest investment bank dont like it either ,claiming it will drive inflation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    t would need a wholesale clear out of the MOT and NZTA in Wellington to change anything as there are some deeply enshrined views that I would suggest don't match many on this website.
    The problem is the weight of evidence from a scientific perspective will support what they're already doing, hence the 'deeply enshrined views'. I think that's why National are talking about introducing economic considerations to try and balance the equation.

    I believe the minister appoints the board, and the board appoint the Chief Executive. I'm not sure under what circumstances or how quickly the existing board could be replaced if they feel obliged to keep going the way the 'evidence' points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Sounds like hell.
    having to drive a designated predetermined route
    GPS tracking your progress.
    your speeds and driving technique.
    stopping at approved places.
    having to take mandatory rest breaks.
    The state requires you to only drive for x amount of hours per day and week.
    it would almost be like being a long-haul truck driver.
    Arriving at your destination ahead of the approved time would see an automatic speeding ticket (deducted from your bank account / charged to your credit card) and demerit points applied, insurance (compulsory) excess increase applied. Welcome to 1984
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Arriving at your destination ahead of the approved time would see an automatic speeding ticket (deducted from your bank account / charged to your credit card) and demerit points applied, insurance (compulsory) excess increase applied. Welcome to 1984
    National announced recently that they plan road user charging for all vehicles as ev uptake increase to make road taxation fair for all. There are multiple players in market with off the shelf tech ready to go for this “E-road” being biggest in nz trucks at moment.
    The current system instantly emails your employer when you exceed speed limits so a redirect to state agency is only a late night parliamentary amendment bill away.
    E road also can be set to auto purchase so yep auto fine payment would be easy too.
    On the plus side if they do away with registration (just make it an admin fee part of WOF process) then owning multiple bikes would be cheaper and it would save certain parts of community from having needless interaction with cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    National announced recently that they plan road user charging for all vehicles as ev uptake increase to make road taxation fair for all. There are multiple players in market with off the shelf tech ready to go for this “E-road” being biggest in nz trucks at moment.
    The current system instantly emails your employer when you exceed speed limits so a redirect to state agency is only a late night parliamentary amendment bill away.
    E road also can be set to auto purchase so yep auto fine payment would be easy too.
    On the plus side if they do away with registration (just make it an admin fee part of WOF process) then owning multiple bikes would be cheaper and it would save certain parts of community from having needless interaction with cops.
    As long as there is a commensurate decrease in the cost of petrol by removing the current road tax - but somehow I can't see that happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    The problem is the weight of evidence from a scientific perspective will support what they're already doing, hence the 'deeply enshrined views'. I think that's why National are talking about introducing economic considerations to try and balance the equation.
    I will never argue with the science. The deeply held views I refer to are based on the position that it is not acceptable for anyone to die or be seriously injured on our roads. If you believe that then you will have to bring in more and more draconian solutions to force a zero road toll and you will never, ever, get there while people are able to travel under their own control, whether that is walking, cycling, motorbike riding or driving a car. It cannot be done. If your position is that any number is too many then you are doomed to fail. This is NZTA and the MOT.

    If your position is that the current road toll is unacceptable then that is a different matter entirely and i would respectfully suggest that we wouldn't be pissing millions up the wall on median barrier or doing area wide speed reductions when it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that driver behaviour is a massive factor in our fatal and serious crashes. If you want to get draconian it should be aimed directly at the drivers who show no respect to other road users, not targeted at all road users in the vein hope that it will rub off on all those dickheads out there who make up a large part of the DSI record.

    We need to raise the minimum driving age, have zero alcohol limits for under 25's and proper penalties to deter people from being twats. IMHO.

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