Luxon ?

[TheDemonLord]

This one is more important to me than trump, so you get a reply.

What percentage of your class mates would you say lived in poverty and were malnourished as a result? You know the main thrust of my point.

In Primary school - quite a few - given that it serviced all the nearby council estates. Kids who couldnt afford the school uniform (which was a single jumper) were common, even though there was a ready supply of secondhand options.

Secondary school was a bit different to be fair.

Are you really hungry every day without a choice in the matter?

If I have a choice in the matter - and we both know I do, and yet I have still eaten something that was burnt and overcooked because I was hungry - that kinda refutes the point you are making.

You clearly have no concept of poverty and what that entails. There needs to be balanced nutrition. These meals are anything but. I would rather my tax dollars go to a nutritional hand up to these children rather than this bullshit.

I must be fucking colour blind as the closest I can see to green in those meals is pasty yellow soggy peas. I'm talking real greens if I can say that word without triggering you.

Peas are still greens...

But I am going to ask - what are you expecting?

A Soggy pea is as nutritional as a fresh pea. Maybe not as appetizing. Are you saying Spaghetti and Meatballs is not balanced meal?

My point is that the images you posted (not ones I went off and Cherry picked) very much remind me of the school dinners I had in the UK back in the 90s. In fact - check out this news article, that has a picture - notice the solitary fruit bowl, with two peices of fruit. Baked Beans and god-knows what else - cooked 'Fresh'

Simultaneously burnt and undercooked. Bland and unappealing - yet it was food and I ate it and I dont seem to have suffered any ill-effects from it.

I see a combination of Meat, Veges, Carbs etc. that look to be a balanced meal. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the images you posted compare to the likes of MREs that we give to Soldiers.

I see meals that I have made at home, for my own children. Mac and Cheese, Spaghetti and Meatballs - so you must forgive me that when I see these types of meals being provided - that they are somehow not nutritious.

This is so absolutely tiresome from you, yet another shoot the messenger post. Is it so hard to understand that when you get a corporation that is notorious for cutting corners to provide mass produced low nutrition meals for a tiny budget that the outcome is of a very low quality?

Is the inverse also so hard to understand that when you get a union that is notorious for opposing everything except for Communism to provide education, that they will invent every opportunity to have a go at a corporation?

But even that is beside the point: I look at the meals you, yourself, posted and go: yeah - it is not great and could be improved but the idea that they are so terrible as to be inedible or not nutritious - when I see things I have made myself and I have eaten myself...

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On a side note - I have been looking up pictures of British school lunches from the 90s - man there is some nostalgia happening, the fact that from different counties, its the same meals, with the same looking dinner ladies, the slab or square pizza, baked beans, dodgy custard etc. I have had a right old waltz down memory lane.

[roogazza]

I was widowed at a youngish age with 3 boys.

I gave them lunches for school everyday (this was in Aussie). Anyway they'd bring the lunches home and finally announced , we play at lunchtime don't bother making lunches !!!!!!!! So I stopped making them.

They would come home at 3.30pm and wipe out a loaf of bread as sandwiches and toast ! No problem with them not eating the evening meal either, they ate everything and the usual Seconds !!!!!!

An apple and a vegemite sandy is perfectly fine if they want it ?

[F5 Dave]

You posted just before me. Referring to Luxton.
Many kids don't have a proper breakfast.


Make them a marmite sandwich. Good one bro.

It is so short sighted to say "I'm alright Jack".

The only way to build a prosperous society is for the common chap and chapess to be able to afford to buy stuff and that helps all the way up.

The only way to that is education and to make it useful the kids need a good environment.

China did the opposite in the Great purge and Great leap forward rooting their education and sending everyone into poverty. They were literally the left but it's all Totalitarian benefits to the top. Took them generations to get over that, and only some areas.

[pete376403]

Had you considered that if a students diet was otherwise good, sure a marmite sandwich would suffice. However with the wealth gap ever increasing and more and more people falling into poverty as each successive Government fails to address core issues, many school age children are under nourished, under fed due to genuine financial restraints. Thus, for these students - and there are many, a fucking marmite sandwich is not going to cut it.
At least with the old system, the meals were nutritional and thus useful. Seymour needs to quit the smarmy comments, and sort it right out.
The whole situation needs a little more thought put in to resolve it. Luxons comments highlight how he has not the slightest idea how many nz people live day to day. The more I see of him, the more I detest what I see. Seymour too has dropped a lot in my opinion. Examples of seymours "tasty" lunches below. What a cunt. These kids need a healthy diet that at least features some greens, not this slop.

Imagine the uproar if this was served at Bellamys

[onearmedbandit]

This cockwomble should not be in charge, he cannot even ask a pretty benign no brainer question without being - well a cockwomble.

https://www.youtube.com/live/TGzacuM...7fZfN9ZJ&t=232

Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.

[sugilite:Me]

In Primary school - quite a few - given that it serviced all the nearby council estates. Kids who couldnt afford the school uniform (which was a single jumper) were common, even though there was a ready supply of secondhand options.

Yet still no empathy from you. ok.

If I have a choice in the matter - and we both know I do, and yet I have still eaten something that was burnt and overcooked because I was hungry - that kinda refutes the point you are making.

Not at all, just because YOU ate something unpalatable, does not mean crap should be foisted on kiwi kids daily. FFS.

But I am going to ask - what are you expecting?

If it were me in charge, I would pool schools into districts where they can then bargain with local growers collectively, essentially ordering from and supporting local produce suppliers, from meat through to vegetables. I would then order the creation of a NZ wide database where if it is found such produce is not available from local areas, they can either order from, or swap with other districts where said produce is obtainable. I would set up a commercial kitchen in each district that would be staffed by competent staff that know what nutrition actually is, then look at the costings of either setting up a distribution network to deliver, or see if a nz owned courier company can deliver cheaper. Yes, it would be more expensive, however, I also feel that the extra business for local produce creators and local jobs it would create, combined with the kids eating good healthy food potentially keeping them out of the health system would help (but not necessarily completely) offset the extra costs. As a tax payer, that is a plan I would happily get behind.

A Soggy pea is as nutritional as a fresh pea. Maybe not as appetizing. Are you saying Spaghetti and Meatballs is not balanced meal?

WRONG. Just the act of the preparation the peas need to go through in the process of canning, then sitting in brine for god knows how long will leach the good stuff out of them. How you cook veges has a massive impact on what vitamins and minerals are retained. And NO Spaghetti and meatballs alone is not a nutritionally balanced meal. Neither is butter chicken up to 11 times in a fucking row.

Simultaneously burnt and undercooked. Bland and unappealing - yet it was food and I ate it and I dont seem to have suffered any ill-effects from it.

This is deeply flawed logic, right on brand for right wing leaning people though. It is the same bullshit logic jenny shitley used when she was pm and went on the dole for a week. Never mind her power bills were already paid, and her fridge was full - just as you were never malnourished, and nor did you live in poverty. This situation cannot be compared to your own personal circumstances. In short, this is not about you.

I see meals that I have made at home, for my own children. Mac and Cheese, Spaghetti and Meatballs - so you must forgive me that when I see these types of meals being provided - that they are somehow not nutritious.

Put just a small percentage of the same effort you put into kb posts into researching good nutrition and meal preparation - one day, your children will thank you for that.

Is the inverse also so hard to understand that when you get a union that is notorious for opposing everything except for Communism to provide education, that they will invent every opportunity to have a go at a corporation?

Arrrrrggggg. This corporation is not actually failing. They are demonstrably delivering crap food that they are contracted to do. It is seymours failing that he lowered the bar to a level that is wholly and entirely unacceptable to me. I view that david is wasting my tax money and is taking a metaphorical shit in these poor kids lunch tray just so he can boast to his wealthy overlords that he is getting the cash together for their inevitable tax cuts. Fuck off.

[sugilite:Me]

Melted plastic , I don't consider that to be only lacking in asthetic appeal.Attachment 355807

Yeah, that was really bad.

I was widowed at a youngish age with 3 boys.

I gave them lunches for school everyday (this was in Aussie). Anyway they'd bring the lunches home and finally announced , we play at lunchtime don't bother making lunches !!!!!!!! So I stopped making them.

They would come home at 3.30pm and wipe out a loaf of bread as sandwiches and toast ! No problem with them not eating the evening meal either, they ate everything and the usual Seconds !!!!!!

An apple and a vegemite sandy is perfectly fine if they want it ?

Good for you! My ex left me with 4 kids to go and live her best life, which looked just like her old life minus the kids - anyways, I grew loads of brocalli, silverbeat and other veges, it was not hard and they barely ever needed to see a doctor. When my 2nd son crashed his bike and I took him in at age 19 the doctor literally said "Where have you been hiding this one?"

Imagine the uproar if this was served at Bellamys

Justice would be them being forced to eat it - 11 butter chickens in a row lol

Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.

I wondered the exact same thing. and how did he not know just how bad it looked for him? When he has one of the most right wing friendly journalists telling him that he has an image problem because of such behavior, only for luxon to immediately blow him off and keep doing it surely must put luxon in the beyond fixing column.

[TheDemonLord]

Yet still no empathy from you. ok.

Not at all, just because YOU ate something unpalatable, does not mean crap should be foisted on kiwi kids daily. FFS.

Are kids better than me?

It would be one thing if I would say it is good enough for Children but would never eat something that was overdone myself, but that is not true.

If it were me in charge, I would pool schools into districts where they can then bargain with local growers collectively, essentially ordering from and supporting local produce suppliers, from meat through to vegetables. I would then order the creation of a NZ wide database where if it is found such produce is not available from local areas, they can either order from, or swap with other districts where said produce is obtainable. I would set up a commercial kitchen in each district that would be staffed by competent staff that know what nutrition actually is, then look at the costings of either setting up a distribution network to deliver, or see if a nz owned courier company can deliver cheaper. Yes, it would be more expensive, however, I also feel that the extra business for local produce creators and local jobs it would create, combined with the kids eating good healthy food potentially keeping them out of the health system would help (but not necessarily completely) offset the extra costs. As a tax payer, that is a plan I would happily get behind.

A reasonably sound plan that I could get behind, there are potential issues I can forsee, but the overall structure has merit.

See, I am not as opposed as you think I am.

WRONG. Just the act of the preparation the peas need to go through in the process of canning, then sitting in brine for god knows how long will leach the good stuff out of them. How you cook veges has a massive impact on what vitamins and minerals are retained. And NO Spaghetti and meatballs alone is not a nutritionally balanced meal. Neither is butter chicken up to 11 times in a fucking row.

Put just a small percentage of the same effort you put into kb posts into researching good nutrition and meal preparation - one day, your children will thank you for that.

Okay sure - Vitamin C and Vitamin B (because they are water soluble) can deplete by 40% if they are boiled.

That said - Vitamin C deficiency, especially in Children in NZ, is virtually unheard of. A Half cup of Orange juice per day would be sufficient. The overal Calorific amount and more specifically the Carbohydrates (to give them the energy to learn) are not effected.

And I mean - look at the English Diet, especially of the 90s - Boiled Vege for everyone - yet Vitamin C deficiencies were unheard of.

When I say a nutritionally balanced meal - I mean we have Carbs, Proteins, Fats, Sugars, Salt etc. If it was all that anyone ever ate, yes I would agree that is a problem - just as (wait for it) - I agree the same meal for over two weeks is an issue.

But is not the end-of-the-world issue that it is being made out to be.

No one is going to die or be intellectually crippled for life from eating butter chicken for 11 days.

(Cue the story of my Mum when my older brother went through a phase of only eating Chicken Nuggets)

This is deeply flawed logic, right on brand for right wing leaning people though. It is the same bullshit logic jenny shitley used when she was pm and went on the dole for a week. Never mind her power bills were already paid, and her fridge was full - just as you were never malnourished, and nor did you live in poverty. This situation cannot be compared to your own personal circumstances. In short, this is not about you.

When you say Malnourished - what exactly do you mean. Cause I get the impression we are not talking about the same thing. When I say it - I am talking not getting sufficient calorific intake to grow and develop properly, but it seems to me you are talking about specific nutrient deficiencies.

As such - when I say Malnourished, the solution is to eat more food - simple as. Get succient calories for young bodies to grow. The usual symptom is that the person is constantly hungry, which also impacts ability to learn (hard to concentrate when your tummy is grumbling) - and if they are hungry in that sense, then yeah - the crap school dinners that I remember from the 90s, whilst not yummy or fantastic, served the purpose.

It seems you are talking about a different issue though - so clarity here would be good.

Arrrrrggggg. This corporation is not actually failing. They are demonstrably delivering crap food that they are contracted to do. It is seymours failing that he lowered the bar to a level that is wholly and entirely unacceptable to me. I view that david is wasting my tax money and is taking a metaphorical shit in these poor kids lunch tray just so he can boast to his wealthy overlords that he is getting the cash together for their inevitable tax cuts. Fuck off.

I see it as delivering the bare minimum to meet the standard. Which is what I would expect.

The other view is to look at the amount of money Labour were spending and say that yes, The government needs to cut spending and not just for the presumed inevitable tax cut.

[sugilite:Me]

Are kids better than me?

It would be one thing if I would say it is good enough for Children but would never eat something that was overdone myself, but that is not true.

I do not see what you eat as being relevant to the conversation.

A reasonably sound plan that I could get behind, there are potential issues I can forsee, but the overall structure has merit.

See, I am not as opposed as you think I am.

Yeah, any plan will have downsides that would need to be mitigated. I did not assume you would pooh pooh it.

Okay sure - Vitamin C and Vitamin B (because they are water soluble) can deplete by 40% if they are boiled.

That said - Vitamin C deficiency, especially in Children in NZ, is virtually unheard of. A Half cup of Orange juice per day would be sufficient. The overal Calorific amount and more specifically the Carbohydrates (to give them the energy to learn) are not effected.

Good bloody gracious, do you think that it might be possible the kiwis most at risk could just be the ones literally at the bottom of the food chain

When I say a nutritionally balanced meal - I mean we have Carbs, Proteins, Fats, Sugars, Salt etc. If it was all that anyone ever ate, yes I would agree that is a problem - just as (wait for it) - I agree the same meal for over two weeks is an issue.

Meat and fresh vegetables, it is not complex.

When you say Malnourished - what exactly do you mean. Cause I get the impression we are not talking about the same thing. When I say it - I am talking not getting sufficient calorific intake to grow and develop properly, but it seems to me you are talking about specific nutrient deficiencies.

It seems you are talking about a different issue though - so clarity here would be good.

Fair enough, so through my exes family I saw a lot of this child poverty first hand. There is no food in the pantry, nothing in the cupboards. The food they do get is not received on any sort of schedule, and is always of the cheapest possible type - read over processed rubbish. I cannot emphasize strongly enough a lot of these kids do not live by anything that remotely resembles routine in their lives - save for one thing, school. So when I talk malnourished this is what I'm talking about. So obviously I'm on board that these kids get at least a chance of getting the nutrients, minerals 5 days a week to make up the difference. I am not on board with cunt seymour looking to basically circumnavigate the entire process just to save a few pennies for the wealthy. Every government has a great many inefficiencies that need to be addressed. This one is no different. I swallowed a dead rat to vote for david because I was under the illusion he would cut red tape and work on government efficiency. I did not give him a mandate to shit on the very people that need help the most.

I see it as delivering the bare minimum to meet the standard. Which is what I would expect.

I expect the people voted in by New Zealanders to look after such things - should as a matter of pride do more than the expected minimum.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wow that was terrible. Why he couldn't just answer the question put to him is ridiculous and without logical reason.

he's a vacant cunt and not pretty vacant either. Fucking clown. "I used to run an airline" I could have run Air NZ in those times: he had inherited a bailed out, superbly organised outfit that was brought back from the brink by Rob Fyffe (an actual fighter pilot btw) and had fair economic winds meaning people had money and could and did travel. Then that vapid blancmange blank got put in charge for no good reason - presumably Kermit the frog and Basil Brush were busy. Marketing fucking speak, zero substance and the entireity of the cabinet havent got a clue collectively. No wonder the wannabe fascist weasel and brown Yoda are making him look even more stupid.

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are kids better than me?

I'll go with yes.

[R650R]

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

People are not going to forget the previous six years in a hurry, people prob didn’t vote so much as for national but just to start again afresh with anything but what we currently had at time.

To the coalitions credit they are delivering in core promises related to being tougher on crime and gangs, roads are being upgraded (no one likes traffic even it’s on way to train station), the idea of co governance is gone, getting rid of wasteful spending and media bribery.

Meanwhile those that would be labours coalitions partners are getting more extremist by the day. Until laboursxwilling to cut that deadweight dragging it down it hasn’t got a chance.

Yes Nats have made many errors but there clumsy stuff rather than big things the others got wrong.

[pritch]

People are not going to forget the previous six years in a hurry, people prob didn’t vote so much as for national but just to start again afresh with anything but what we currently had at time.

To the coalitions credit they are delivering in core promises related to being tougher on crime and gangs, roads are being upgraded (no one likes traffic even it’s on way to train station), the idea of co governance is gone, getting rid of wasteful spending and media bribery.

Meanwhile those that would be labours coalitions partners are getting more extremist by the day. Until laboursxwilling to cut that deadweight dragging it down it hasn’t got a chance.

Yes Nats have made many errors but there clumsy stuff rather than big things the others got wrong.

Shit oh dear. Have you ever been swigging the Koolaid.

On extremist coalition partners, both sides have them. TMP seem problematical. The Speaker could start by making them comply with the rules of the House. Not just whichever rules they decide are acceptable to them.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Shit oh dear. Have you ever been swigging the Koolaid.

On extremist coalition partners, both sides have them. TMP seem problematical. The Speaker could start by making them comply with the rules of the House. Not just whichever rules they decide are acceptable to them.

Stop colonising me, maaaan! You're oppressing me!

[husaberg]

he's a vacant cunt and not pretty vacant either. Fucking clown. "I used to run an airline" I could have run Air NZ in those times: he had inherited a bailed out, superbly organised outfit that was brought back from the brink by Rob Fyffe (an actual fighter pilot btw) and had fair economic winds meaning people had money and could and did travel. Then that vapid blancmange blank got put in charge for no good reason - presumably Kermit the frog and Basil Brush were busy. Marketing fucking speak, zero substance and the entireity of the cabinet havent got a clue collectively. No wonder the wannabe fascist weasel and brown Yoda are making him look even more stupid.

Best thing? He is fucking up and I hope they are a one term government.

I should declare a bias (though I hope I have only hinted at it)- I am an anarcho-socialist by inclination and wouldnt vote for those cunts if it was a one party state (which they want of course).

history tells the story what happens when the peasants don't get enough food.
It seems some has forgot there are more peasent than upperclassmen....