PM Chris Hipkins

**R650R** · 17th March 2023, 19:01

You all know I’m no labour fan but man isn’t lil chipper hitting home runs at moment in short time. Knock out blow to pesky Nash setting tone for a no nonsense govt.
The coastal shipping initiative for Gisborne-Napier and beyond ( why haven’t the greens ever managed to get that going already?)
The policy bonfire taking away a lot of nationals ammunition.
You can’t just imagine Jacindas response to above issues....
Next six months sure will be interesting

**TheDemonLord** · 18th March 2023, 07:18

Originally Posted by R650R

You all know I’m no labour fan but man isn’t lil chipper hitting home runs at moment in short time. Knock out blow to pesky Nash setting tone for a no nonsense govt.
The coastal shipping initiative for Gisborne-Napier and beyond ( why haven’t the greens ever managed to get that going already?)
The policy bonfire taking away a lot of nationals ammunition.
You can’t just imagine Jacindas response to above issues....
Next six months sure will be interesting

A Tiger can't change it's stripes.

**FLUB** · 18th March 2023, 15:03

If Labour gets back in, do you think it will be the first or second week that all these policies reappear?

**TheDemonLord** · 18th March 2023, 16:13

Originally Posted by FLUB

If Labour gets back in, do you think it will be the first or second week that all these policies reappear?

I think it will be the length of time for them to find where they stored the draft in their documents.

So about 5 minutes.

**R650R** · 20th March 2023, 08:15

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I think it will be the length of time for them to find where they stored the draft in their documents.

So about 5 minutes.

What worries me most is latest polls show they will need a coalition of Maori and greens..... that will be worse than any of their own policies...

This election will be aboutsaying no to co governance and six waters (it’s called that because they added the sea and sky and the new Winston’s said it’s six because they are pissing on your back and telling you it’s raining!!!)

**TheDemonLord** · 20th March 2023, 08:24

My 'fear' (if you can call it that) is that the Natural disaster of the Cyclone will give Labour and the Greens a convincing talking point around Climate Change and evil business and let's just throw money at the problem.

I unfortunately have gotten Labour ads on Youtube.

Every single one of them talks about spending money.

At this point with massive government-caused inflation, I'm having a hard time deciding whether it's incompetence or malevolence.

**R650R** · 20th March 2023, 08:45

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

My 'fear' (if you can call it that) is that the Natural disaster of the Cyclone will give Labour and the Greens a convincing talking point around Climate Change and evil business and let's just throw money at the problem.

I unfortunately have gotten Labour ads on Youtube.

Every single one of them talks about spending money.

At this point with massive government-caused inflation, I'm having a hard time deciding whether it's incompetence or malevolence.

I think their not clever enough to be of evil intent but definitely incompetent.
What’s worse post flood is the local trauma coupled with the covid era mask policing type judgement. Anecdotal evidence is that forestry industry workers are copping abuse in public over slash issue due to the blame/judgement culture modern society has enveloped into.
It’s an interesting quandary though, trees are now evil but they need trees to save environment.
And we now have huge masses of unstable hillsides that erm need trees planted on them to stabilise. One wonders how much of current forestry was planted post Bola to solve same problem...
Yep I’m sure they will spend much money looking like something is being done.
The silver lining from all this disaster though is many people now red pilled into the knowledge that the government is not here to save you....

**pete376403** · 20th March 2023, 12:38

Originally Posted by R650R

It’s an interesting quandary though, trees are now evil but they need trees to save environment.

Live trees, growing, helping hold the soil together and sequestering carbon are good. Dead trees, cut into logs with slash left piled where it fell - bad. Even you should be able to see there is a difference.
Trees planted after Bola did do a pretty ok job of holding the steep, unstable hillsides together. It was after they were cut that bad things started to happen.

**george formby** · 20th March 2023, 14:58

Originally Posted by pete376403

Live trees, growing, helping hold the soil together and sequestering carbon are good. Dead trees, cut into logs with slash left piled where it fell - bad. Even you should be able to see there is a difference.
Trees planted after Bola did do a pretty ok job of holding the steep, unstable hillsides together. It was after they were cut that bad things started to happen.

Allegedly, 70% of NZ's timber plantations have offshore owners. Be nice if the gummint sent them a bill for the clean up.

**TheDemonLord** · 20th March 2023, 15:03

Originally Posted by george formby

Allegedly, 70% of NZ's timber plantations have offshore owners. Be nice if the gummint sent them a bill for the clean up.

Normally I'm wildly opposed to things like this - but certainly a one-time 'voluntary' donation, perhaps a rebuilt building or two named in honor of the generous company who came to the party wouldn't be amiss.

**george formby** · 20th March 2023, 16:24

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Normally I'm wildly opposed to things like this - but certainly a one-time 'voluntary' donation, perhaps a rebuilt building or two named in honor of the generous company who came to the party wouldn't be amiss.

Many, many, countries have enforced far better forestry practices to minimise risk from clear felling and ensure soil quality is maintained for bio-diversity. We should catch up, quickly.

**TheDemonLord** · 20th March 2023, 18:01

Originally Posted by george formby

Many, many, countries have enforced far better forestry practices to minimise risk from clear felling and ensure soil quality is maintained for bio-diversity. We should catch up, quickly.

I'll take your word on it - I know next to nothing about Foresty. The only impression I have is that our trees grow well in our climate and so are profitable.

**Blackbird** · 20th March 2023, 21:27

I worked in the forestry/pulp and paper industry in the central north island for 30 years. CHH and Fletchers had much higher standards of cleanup than east coast operations. We also had international quality standards and international sustainability standards which are subject to independent audit. Not all forestry organisations are equal and it's further muddied by both National and Labour alike accelerating forestry investment out east. For the right reasons of course but the negative aspects inevitably glossed over. It's a complicated old world !