PM Chris Hipkins

[neels]

More pointless costs burdened on businesses.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/13263...tackle-slavery

And yet another paper pusher job/jobs created in Wellington to oversee this new beauracracy

Every business that uses iPhones or electric cars will be guilty or any made in China components…

Just another overhead that 99.9973% of the time will be completely pointless, but with an election coming up it looks like they're doing something (probably badly, and probably something should have already been done ages ago)

I doubt a business is going to front up with details of their slave workers for the public register, in fact more likely to just hide them better.

A bit like the increase from 4 to 20+ pages for a tenancy agreement, most of which is compliance stuff that the dodgy landlords just ignore anyway.

Probably just a case of announce something, to distract from the coverage of the latest minister doing dumb shit.....

[husaberg]

Just another overhead that 99.9973% of the time will be completely pointless, but with an election coming up it looks like they're doing something (probably badly, and probably something should have already been done ages ago)

I doubt a business is going to front up with details of their slave workers for the public register, in fact more likely to just hide them better.

A bit like the increase from 4 to 20+ pages for a tenancy agreement, most of which is compliance stuff that the dodgy landlords just ignore anyway.

Probably just a case of announce something, to distract from the coverage of the latest minister doing dumb shit.....

According to te news, It only applies to businesses earning over 20 million in NZ a year.
It also only applies to their goods and supply chain.

[R650R]

I’m still getting a laugh out of this

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...backs-the-idea

The old saying the blind leading the blind…..

On the plus side of your kids get a F in this class they will be gauranteed a govt job lol

[husaberg]

I’m still getting a laugh out of this

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...backs-the-idea

The old saying the blind leading the blind…..

On the plus side of your kids get a F in this class they will be gauranteed a govt job lol

Well ,not everyone has the brains and higher level of education required to be a delivery driver like you, you know... oh wait

[R650R]

Ohhhh talk dirty to me Chris.
Labour wants to pay five figure rebates on my house insulation and switching to electric hot water.
This $81 million dollar Lolly scramble only benefits a small part of population, good example of how they don’t think things through. Few people will have the budget to spend the required amount to get rebates by their own numbers

[neels]

Ohhhh talk dirty to me Chris.
Labour wants to pay five figure rebates on my house insulation and switching to electric hot water.
This $81 million dollar Lolly scramble only benefits a small part of population, good example of how they don’t think things through. Few people will have the budget to spend the required amount to get rebates by their own numbers

Actually I think a lot of people probably do, govt is paying 80% of cost of insulation, so for a 150sqm house that works out to only having to front up ~$600 to get ceiling insulation done.

Of course the logic of who gets it seems a bit odd, it would appear it's by postcode based on some sort of demographic average, rather than house value or income.

[R650R]

Actually I think a lot of people probably do, govt is paying 80% of cost of insulation, so for a 150sqm house that works out to only having to front up ~$600 to get ceiling insulation done.

Of course the logic of who gets it seems a bit odd, it would appear it's by postcode based on some sort of demographic average, rather than house value or income.

Yes that scheme has been popular about 100,000 homes.

But the new policy

https://www.labour.org.nz/news-house...fficient_homes

It’s in black and white about 10,000 over three years

[neels]

Yes that scheme has been popular about 100,000 homes.

But the new policy

https://www.labour.org.nz/news-house...fficient_homes

It’s in black and white about 10,000 over three years

Hadn't seen the latest addition to the current scheme.

I suspect you're probably correct, if it's $18k for 30% of the cost, people who can afford it and care enough would probably have done it anyway.

Clearly also a continuation of the agenda to get rid of gas in domestic houses so more people are entirely reliant on electricity to not freeze to death in winter. They tried the same with wood burners in canterbury, but the manufacturers are clever enough to build something that meets what was obviously intended to be impossible emissions requirements.

[pete376403]

Hadn't seen the latest addition to the current scheme.

I suspect you're probably correct, if it's $18k for 30% of the cost, people who can afford it and care enough would probably have done it anyway.

Clearly also a continuation of the agenda to get rid of gas in domestic houses so more people are entirely reliant on electricity to not freeze to death in winter. They tried the same with wood burners in canterbury, but the manufacturers are clever enough to build something that meets what was obviously intended to be impossible emissions requirements.

Necessity is the mother of invention. If there was no requirement to clean up the woodburner emissions, manufacturers would keep on cranking out the old designs - cost of development and manufacture long since amortized - therefore greater profits. I've got a late model Firenzo woodburner that came from an earthquake damaged home in ChCh. When it's going with dry hard wood, there is no visible smoke from the flue. Firenzo didn't design and build this our of some altruistic concerns for the Canterbury air quality.

[neels]

Necessity is the mother of invention. If there was no requirement to clean up the woodburner emissions, manufacturers would keep on cranking out the old designs - cost of development and manufacture long since amortized - therefore greater profits. I've got a late model Firenzo woodburner that came from an earthquake damaged home in ChCh. When it's going with dry hard wood, there is no visible smoke from the flue. Firenzo didn't design and build this our of some altruistic concerns for the Canterbury air quality.

Correct about the necessity.

I do remember when the new emission standards were introduced, and all existing fireplaces were given (I think) 15 years to be replaced. The question was asked of the Ecan people if a replacement fireplace could be installed, and the reply was an almost sarcastic 'only if the replacement meets the standard, and that doesn't exist', clearly the manufacturers took that as a challenge rather than just abandoning canterbury as a market

It seems people aren't going to get that option with gas appliances.

[R650R]

Wow just wow at govt Dept ineptitude and politics. Finally one of their policies is doing good but it’s struck a gliding on moment as Beryl and Tom now have too many applications to process.

It was a policy where HNZ tenants could rent to own or buy out their property, however it is now “oversubscribed” as they can’t keep up with applications. Now if they had any sense they would just let the free market administer the whole thing and give the banks a set of rules for lending and let it run itself.

The scheme basically lets you buy a home with 5% deposit and HNZ covers 25% of the mortgage until such time as you can handle that part yourself. It harks back to the good ol housing corp loan setup from the 70/80s where if you saved x amount you were gauranteed to get a loan.

So why limit the scheme…. Are they worried too many state houses are being “ sold” under scheme, are the books that bad there’s no money left???….

[sugilite:Me]

So why limit the scheme…. Are they worried too many state houses are being “ sold” under scheme, are the books that bad there’s no money left???….

Probably, but they will just print/borrow more like every other Government does - despite one team trying to have you believe they don't do that. Hint, that teams official color rhymes with Poo.

[R650R]

How did Chris catch Covid??? Surely he’s 12xvaxxxed/boosted and been scanning and wearing masks and of course all his supporters will have been????
Could this be like Jacinda getting up the duff before the election going for sympathy vote?
Now the question is will our govt funded media pack do “ the right thing” and self isolate given how close they have been to him on the campaign trail?????
Could we have an election where they are all to crook to negotiate a coalition afterwards???

[onearmedbandit]

Now the question is will our govt funded media pack do “ the right thing” and self isolate given how close they have been to him on the campaign trail?????

You need to keep yourself up to date, even people in your own home don't need to self isolate any longer.

https://covid19.govt.nz/testing-and-...have-covid-19/

[R650R]

What will Labour look like in three years time, will they recover in to something credible.
A lot of experience will be lost with those who didn’t win their electorates prob taking jobs elsewhere outside politics. Who will lead after Chris leaves???
I think their biggest mistake was legitimising the Green Party by giving them oxygen in coalition when they should have been in opposition benches. On top of greens taking labour votes the Maori seats are now firmly in Maori party hands and I think it will stay that way and increase Maori vote.
So what will be labours appeal???
Also in three years time another generation indoctrinated in the green culture at schools and universities will become voters….
How long will the scars take to heal???