PM Chris Hipkins

[BMWST?]

Not actually making any attempt to argue with that, however seem to have provided the opportunity for another absolutist anti-trans rant.

The point being made was that I can completely understand why Chippy didn't want to provide the soundbite that the journo was looking for, to spin into clickbait and provoke the other side of the argument from whatever his answer was, probably not caring what side that is as long as it generates advertising revenue.

There will always be people who hold extreme black and white views on either side of an argument, they are lost to any sort of rational discussion, it's left to the people with critical reasoning skills to actually come up with an answer that works for those that live in the real world with all of it's shades of grey.

What is the argument ? His non answer cancelled about 49.5 percent of the population

[pete376403]

So - no, this is not a matter of opinion or a matter for Debate - in the same way that it is not a matter of opinion or a matter for debate that water is wet.

The more they push, the more they try to cross that Rubricon, the more otherwise tolerant people are going to become intolerant.

I agree with the bulk of your statements but, water in the form of superheated steam is dry. And the river name is Rubicon.

[neels]

Anyway I don't know why everyone is getting so excited, it's not like this is a new argument, it's been going on for centuries.

[MD]

It's a rare moment when I agree with comments by TDL but I'm a Monty Python fan and they made the point well 'the bleedin obvious' overrides woke stupidity every time.

People have the right to be different. I have no objection and have no negative attitude towards people who are different from me, be it race, colour, sex, religion, choice of haircut, car, motorbike, short, fat, tall, blond, ginger, left-handed, right-handed, or whatever. I do object though to every minority demanding that the majority must bow and worship their minority because they have self-appointed themselves as special and deserve special recognition, special rights, special treatment and should be gloried at every opportunity by all others. Next census everyone should declare their gender as walrus.

[R650R]

It's a rare moment when I agree with comments by TDL but I'm a Monty Python fan and they made the point well 'the bleedin obvious' overrides woke stupidity every time.

People have the right to be different. I have no objection and have no negative attitude towards people who are different from me, be it race, colour, sex, religion, choice of haircut, car, motorbike, short, fat, tall, blond, ginger, left-handed, right-handed, or whatever. I do object though to every minority demanding that the majority must bow and worship their minority because they have self-appointed themselves as special and deserve special recognition, special rights, special treatment and should be gloried at every opportunity by all others. Next census everyone should declare their gender as walrus.

Welcome to the silent majority, thatvis pretty much the view of 95% of the population.

[husaberg]

Welcome to the silent majority, thatvis pretty much the view of 95% of the population.

Kind of odd that you claim to know what a silent majority think or that it is their view is, when they are by your own claim silent...
It similar to your own views have been shown to be outside of what is commonly believed.
Like your claims Russia would never invade Ukraine...
Or your covid hoax posts
Or your covid cure posts
etc etc

[TheDemonLord]

I agree with the bulk of your statements but, water in the form of superheated steam is dry. And the river name is Rubicon.

Water is water and steam is steam

As for the river - https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Crossing+the+Rubricon

They spell it with an 'r' - so?

[TheDemonLord]

Not actually making any attempt to argue with that, however seem to have provided the opportunity for another absolutist anti-trans rant.

Again, I'm not actually Anti-Trans.

What I'm opposed to is a radical form of gender ideology and it's attempts to redefine society.

That, and I'm not too comfortable with a fully grown man (with all appendages still attached, flapping in the breeze) stripping off in a Women's Changing rooms in front of my school-age daughter, simply on his assurance that he really is a Woman.

The point being made was that I can completely understand why Chippy didn't want to provide the soundbite that the journo was looking for, to spin into clickbait and provoke the other side of the argument from whatever his answer was, probably not caring what side that is as long as it generates advertising revenue.

There will always be people who hold extreme black and white views on either side of an argument, they are lost to any sort of rational discussion, it's left to the people with critical reasoning skills to actually come up with an answer that works for those that live in the real world with all of it's shades of grey.

I know why Chippy doesn't want to give an answer.

To give the right answer will alienate the radical and activist labour voterbase.
To give the wrong answer will alienate 50% of the voting population.

That is precisely why it needs to be asked. Is he willing to lie to pander to his crowd or is he willing to say what has been true for eons? Or is he going to try and politician his way out of the question?

Because today it's a question where everyone knows the answer, tomorrow it might not be.

[BMWST?]

I know why Chippy doesn't want to give an answer.

To give the right answer will alienate the radical and activist labour voterbase.
To give the wrong answer will alienate 50% of the voting population.

alienate AT LEAST 50% imho

[TheDemonLord]

alienate AT LEAST 50% imho

I can only hope.

[F5 Dave]

So who do we think is more of a Moron? R666 or TDL?

Geez, it's a hard call. It's a bit surprising they can manage to breathe when they are asleep.

Aaaahh duuuh.

[husaberg]

So who do we think is more of a Moron? R666 or TDL?

Geez, it's a hard call. It's a bit surprising they can manage to breathe when they are asleep.

Aaaahh duuuh.

Word on the street is at least two of those share the same IP address
Plus one is using a breather device for fatties with apnea...

[TheDemonLord]

So who do we think is more of a Moron? R666 or TDL?

Geez, it's a hard call. It's a bit surprising they can manage to breathe when they are asleep.

Aaaahh duuuh.

Would you like to tell us what a Woman is then?

[TheDemonLord]

Word on the street is at least two of those share the same IP address
Plus one is using a breather device for fatties with apnea...

You, uh, got some evidence for that claim?

That's some very *specific* claims, explicitly accusing me (at least) of breaching the site rules, so I would hope that for such an accusation you can back it up with some form of Proof.




But I'll save you the trouble, since I know I only have the one account and the Mods can see my IP address (and it's a Static IP) and can confirm that I'm just me - not to mention things like join date etc. etc.

I'm not going to ping the mods for that post, it's not my style and never will be - suffice to say I expect either an edit or a retraction.

[F5 Dave]

Aboo-hoo-hoo-hoo.

(Just guessing, can't read above but know it is moronic,).