Yevgeny Prigozhin

[TheDemonLord]

There is a thought that comes to mind.

Putin wants Wagner to be under the auspices of the Russian conventional military.

Yevgeny initially didn't want to, but then agreed.

Why?

Wagner itself is probably not strong enough to stage a military coup.

But if the Wagner mercenaries are now integrated into the conventional Russian military and can whisper in the ear of anyone from the lowliest private to a disgruntled general - suddenly a force of 10 could become a force of 100.

I think both men are playing a game of Chess (or Chicken...) and seeing who blinks first.

Yevgeny is likely wanting to drum up support for a potential coup in the conventional ranks, whereas Putin wants to consolidate power. The success for each side will depend on skill, charisma and who can offer the better outlook.

[R650R]

It’s funny how so many of our leftist media outlets and fake book “ influencers” are fawning over progozen while ignoring all the other theatres of warfare Wagnar is involved in. They are all over Africa in various third world disasters where the cia would be if the budget allowed.

Some commentators were trying to say the CIA or mi6 have progozen in their pocket. They are ignoring that from day one he will have been surrounded by FSB and KGB political officers to be allowed to exist.

I feel this has all been a choreographed side show, what kind of nutta goes half way on a coup against a ruthless leader who can reach you anywhere and rub you out.

The west over believes in their own ability. The Russians (and Chinese) are avid students of history and are plenty of moves ahead in their thinking. If you think any Russian cheers for the collapse of govt and something new you’re dreaming. They’ve had two major “resets” and both times it didn’t end well and took decades to fix.

[pete376403]

. If you think any Russian cheers for the collapse of govt and something new you’re dreaming. They’ve had two major “resets” and both times it didn’t end well and took decades to fix.

It only got "fixed" and ended well for a small minority. Every time, the russians have "reset" the end result is the same, but with different overlords. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

[R650R]

It only got "fixed" and ended well for a small minority. Every time, the russians have "reset" the end result is the same, but with different overlords. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

That’s what I said.

[husaberg]

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The west over believes in their own ability. The Russians (and Chinese) are avid students of history and are plenty of moves ahead in their thinking. .

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was a United States-led invasion of the Republic of Iraq and the first stage of the Iraq War. The invasion phase began on 19 March 2003 (air) and 20 March 2003 (ground) and lasted just over one month.The U.S.-led coalition sent 160,000 troops into Iraq.
vs 538,000 active and 650,000 reserves of Iraq.

Although Russias special military operation was supposed to take over the whole of the Ukraine in days or weeks at most .The 2022 invasion of Ukraine have now going on for over 1 year 4 months initially with at least 190,000 soldiers , Now with over 3000,000 active personal in Ukraine.
Given these facts
So who is it that over believes there own abilities? It's like that time you claimed to be an expert and said Russia would never invade Ukraine.
That goes down as epically stupid.

[Laava]

This guy is just a professional thug. Like Putin I guess?

[pete376403]

That’s what I said.

You said it took decades to fix. It never got fixed - the top tier just changed and carried on as usual.

[Laava]

It has been pondered?

[R650R]

Now the dust has settled some interesting commentary has been made.

It seems it’s illegal under Russian law for a private mercenary army to be on Russian soil and/or for them to be supplied weapons/ammo direct by Russian state.
So that’s what the original hoopla was about when he was demanding ammo. Probably Anastasia from accounts was on maternity leave and unable to invoice supplies through the usual black market channels in time or the logistics weren’t there for the volume he needed.
So rightly so Shoigu refused to send ammo directly.
His deed done in bakmut he was told to move on to other business opportunities elsewhere and the troops could either return to civilian life or join Russian army.

Putin did smart thing by managing situation without major bloodshed. Apparently progozen turned around after a brief phone call about the 2400 spetznaz troops ahead and the 10,000 Chechen’s on flank ready to slaughter him.

There’s much speculation still about western Intel involvement either supporting or knowing what was about to go down. Take a minute just to think about the dangers of a civil war/insurrection happening to a major nuclear power during a time of war.

[R650R]

This guy is just a professional thug. Like Putin I guess?

Basic bio is after a prison term he became a hotdog vendor(who knows what really could have been), somehow moved up into larger catering meeting Putin along the way. From there the right contracts flowed and eventually hired guns perhaps started paying more than wedding cakes.
But yes you’re pretty correct a thug with contacts and contracts.
A lot has been made of bahkmut but apparently he lost one men for every two Ukrainian while Russian forces using stand off attack weapons are 10-1 ratio the other way around.
Without the free supply of convict manpower it wouldn’t have worked out so well.

[pritch]

Basic bio is after a prison term he became a hotdog vendor(who knows what really could have been), somehow moved up into larger catering meeting Putin along the way. From there the right contracts flowed and eventually hired guns perhaps started paying more than wedding cakes.
But yes you’re pretty correct a thug with contacts and contracts.
A lot has been made of bahkmut but apparently he lost one men for every two Ukrainian while Russian forces using stand off attack weapons are 10-1 ratio the other way around.
Without the free supply of convict manpower it wouldn’t have worked out so well.

After his prison term he did start by selling street food. It wasn't hotdogs though, that detail was just for American consumption. He did set up restaurants one of which became popular with Putin and his buddies as you said. He then set up a major catering organisation. He also set up the St Petersburg troll farm, the IRA, which busied themselves with the 2016 US election among other things. The Wagner group operated in Syria and is currently believed to operate in Africa. I may be mistaken but I think the convict thing is recent. A reaction to Russia's massive military losses in Ukraine.

Putin is presumably offended by Preghozin's recent efforts as he has released information about how many billions the Russian state has siphoned off to finance the Wagner group.

[husaberg]

Basic bio is after a prison term he became a hotdog vendor(who knows what really could have been), somehow moved up into larger catering meeting Putin along the way. From there the right contracts flowed and eventually hired guns perhaps started paying more than wedding cakes.
But yes you’re pretty correct a thug with contacts and contracts.
A lot has been made of bahkmut but apparently he lost one men for every two Ukrainian while Russian forces using stand off attack weapons are 10-1 ratio the other way around.
Without the free supply of convict manpower it wouldn’t have worked out so well.

It's not ten to one even if you include 9 Ukrainian civilians which Russiapurposely targets