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    Quote Originally Posted by roogazza View Post
    Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

    Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

    Have I got this right ???
    Yeah, he waved on Digia - it seemed to pretty much cripple his race and made for some very weird stuff going on - he couldnt ride in front so he had to sit behind Vinales, then Digia
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    I don't care for the why's and how's, all I know is that for me it is ruining the spectacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roogazza View Post
    Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

    Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

    Have I got this right ???
    You don't have to wait a week Buddy the sprint is up on 3now for viewing ful race not Highlights and I'd guess the main race will be up soon.

    Well didn't Pecco send a message untouchable the whole weekend.
    JM tried but didnt quite have it. But hasn't his attitude changed good to see
    Painfully obvious how the GP24 has the advantage over the Gp23
    Great ride Diggi surprised to hear comments he is on the outer because he is not a VR46 born rider.

    Tyre pressures stupid when it gets to the point of having to let riders passed.
    That second bunch had some good racing tho.

    Lets see how Martin goes next round track should suit him.
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    "... Marquez said he was just 0.01 bars under the limit for one lap of the race - the one immediately following his contact with Ducati rider Enea Bastianini at Turn 1 - and blamed that incident for the penalty. He thinks that means a rule tweak is needed for the future.

    The penalty promoted Pramac rider Franco Morbidelli to ninth, with Marquez slotting into the results ahead of KTM’s Jack Miller in 11th.


    Marquez said though it was “a shame” to have received a penalty, “the rules are the rules”.

    Marquez had caused surprise early in the race when he appeared to deliberately let VR46 Ducati rider Fabio Di Giannantonio overtake him for third.


    He confirmed afterwards that this had been an attempt to lower his tyre pressure.


    “The only thing we were discussing with the stewards, for that reason it delayed the penalty, because as you saw in the race I started in a good way but suddenly I saw on the front there was something strange and the tyre pressure was super low,” Marquez explained.


    “Then I let past Diggia just to control the front pressure, and then I was there behind him all the race.”




    But he said the incident with Bastianini then spoiled that plan.


    “I was controlling in a good way, I was inside, but what I didn’t expect was the contact from Enea at the first corner when he pushed me out,” he continued.


    “And when I was out that lap I was one second slower and I didn’t push well in that Turn 3 and Turn 5 because I didn’t know how the tyre would be after coming from the run-off area. It dropped again, it takes two laps to come back and those two laps makes me out of that minimum [pressure].”


    Marquez said the mixed conditions on Sunday, switching between cloudy and sunshine, made “everything difficult,” but he was controlling his tyre pressure well before the contact from Bastianini - something “I cannot control” which “makes me go wide and come back and the pressure was too low again”

    “The only fact that takes time for the stewards - and we were speaking and I was in the race direction, because they have the data - they see that my tyre temperature dropped after the contact of Enea.”
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    To put it bluntly, he went into the race knowing he was running the front pressure as low as he thought he could get away with.
    Tucking in behind was an attempt to get the tyre up and over optimum temp to raise the pressure.
    His claiming the incident was enough to put him over the lap limit for pressures is somewhat dubious.
    If you go in knowing you have no margin for any incidents then a penalty is no-one's fault but your own.

    Others seem to have managed the temp/pressure/changeable conditions better. MM has enough experience to have done it too.

    Suck up the penalty and don't go asking for charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    To put it bluntly, he went into the race knowing he was running the front pressure as low as he thought he could get away with.
    Tucking in behind was an attempt to get the tyre up and over optimum temp to raise the pressure.
    His claiming the incident was enough to put him over the lap limit for pressures is somewhat dubious.
    If you go in knowing you have no margin for any incidents then a penalty is no-one's fault but your own.

    Others seem to have managed the temp/pressure/changeable conditions better. MM has enough experience to have done it too.

    Suck up the penalty and don't go asking for charity.
    True this and it is there for safety via tyre manufacturer. There will be no Latitude given there
    Prob why he was so relaxed about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roogazza View Post
    Haven't seen Assen racing as yet, I watch on ch3 a week late,(but thats enough for me!).

    Surely these tyre pressure rules need to be sorted ? #93 said he had to wave on #49 I think he said, to tuck in behind and raise the temp ?? He was only low by a small amount but got the penalty anyway for that one lap it was low. That sounds frustrating ???

    Have I got this right ???
    yes you have it right. I think digi was having exactly the same problem. MM was a tiny fraction low for 1 lap which put him below the minmum pressure required for some proportion of the race

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    True this and it is there for safety via tyre manufacturer. There will be no Latitude given there
    Prob why he was so relaxed about it.
    He did seem pretty relaxed, but annoyed that it was only 0.01 (0.1 PSI) bar for one lap that cost him 7 points or what ever it was.

    edit: Crash were saying that probably MM was expecting to be riding in the pack with Martin and bags - he didnt expect them to bugger off so quick. Gresini (I think) were saying what if MM (or any rider) had been forced off track and dropped way down the order, and fought their way back to the top 5 and then lost 16 secs because his tyre was 0.01 bar off for one of those laps. Why would you bother?

    Stupid frickin rule imho
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    Perhaps time to develop a slick mousse (for those unfamiliar with dirt competition) that would even out the feild, for better or worse, at least it would be even.

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    Recent interview with the Crafs:
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    Thanks for posting that bud. Really enjoyed the whole thing,so down to earth Crafar .

    But they are Kiwis so not a real surprise .

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    Quote Originally Posted by roogazza View Post
    Thanks for posting that bud. Really enjoyed the whole thing,so down to earth Crafar .

    But they are Kiwis so not a real surprise .

    Yeah I thought it was excellent, random suggestion of YT lol. He seems super excited about the new rules heh.
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    Funny moment but also the first time I have seen Pecco interact like this with Mark.

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    On the whole tyre pressure thing, I found it interesting the dickheads from the BT commentary had no idea why he was doing it. I immediately knew what his reasoning would be as there's no fucking way MM would ever let a rider ahead of him on track other than some bull shit. I really missing the Dorna commentary but it's not worth the extra $$$. That Neil Hodgesons accent really is harsh on the ear...

    Looking forward to the go kart track this weekend, lets see if MM and overcome the clear 10sec a race advantage that G24 has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post
    On the whole tyre pressure thing, I found it interesting the dickheads from the BT commentary had no idea why he was doing it. I immediately knew what his reasoning would be as there's no fucking way MM would ever let a rider ahead of him on track other than some bull shit. I really missing the Dorna commentary but it's not worth the extra $$$. That Neil Hodgesons accent really is harsh on the ear...
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    If you want the Dorna commentary, have a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/MotorsportsReplays/ then search for antonyium. He posts a link to a site where you can download complete videos - no messing about with torrents. There is a delay but I never watch the European races live.

    I can't stand the TNT commentary. Simon Crafar figured out why Marc let Digia past straight away.

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