MotoGP 2024

[merv]

Here's a video showing a lot of angles. It does look a bit like Pecco just cut across Alex's nose and the bikes locked together:

[iYRe]

as I understand it, Alex can only be at fault if he looks to the right and sees Pecco. I dont see his head move, he's trying to wrangle the bike and is looking at where he wants to put it... thats what I see anyway

[Reckless]

Here is a close up of AM throttle hand in support of the Pecco theory.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1221046475903466

In evaluation of the I didn't see him theory you have to remember AM is looking at the apex then flicks his eyes way up the track to the exit.
If he is already looking way up the track it makes sense he didnt see him but who can judge that LOL

There might actually be 2 things going on here
1.Pecco relied on AM to back off sooner and he was wrong in that decision and chopped him off.
2.Weather or not AM got the shits and ran into him is the second phase of the accident.

I like Pecco, not so keen on AM. Looking at the debates going on, I guess the stewards got it right.

Statement by FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel
"The incident between Bagnaia #1 and Marquez #73 on Lap 18 at Turn 13 is included in the investigation process and is investigated after the race.
"FIM MotoGP Stewards interviewed both riders and listened to an explanation of the incident from both perspectives, as well as examined some of the views and other photo sources available, as well as machine data."
"In the trial, both riders explained the level of grip outside the difficult racing line, and according to Stewards, this is a contributing factor in the case of riders' ability to make choices in order to avoid contact."
"The conclusion of the FIM MotoGP Stewards have considered all points, and without a definite evidence factor, is that none of the riders have been determined to be more responsible for the incident." "
Source: FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel

[sugilite:Me]

I really enjoyed seeing MM putting it altogether for both the sprint and main race. Nailed the starts, kept off the slippery shit and ran two very controlled races. This will do wonders for his self belief.

The main thing that amazed me with the Peco and Alex prang was how little damage Peco took. Today's safety gear is bloody amazing. Even with 500GP bikes being so light, if the rider ended up under one it was always carnage. Nowadays we have Peco complaining of a sore neck while fronting cameras only moments after getting rag dolled by 2 motorcycles!

Watching it had me questioning, can anyone think of another sport that matches Motorcycle racing for the shear scale and brutality combined with bodily vulnerability as to the physics involved when things go wrong?

[F5 Dave]

Here's a video showing a lot of angles. It does look a bit like Pecco just cut across Alex's nose and the bikes locked together:

From the 2nd one, if you just focus on AM, I don't see what he did wrong.

[merv]

From the 2nd one, if you just focus on AM, I don't see what he did wrong.

Do you think the same as I do that he had little choice because the bikes got locked together and he was pulled towards Pecco's bike?

Those going on about his throttle position, geez once Pecco's bike touched his and pulled his bike away I doubt he was doing much but hanging on for grim death and hardly worrying about throttle position. It all happened in such a short time, like in about the 17th to 18th second in that video I posted above.

Any one watching the slo mos is tricking themselves into thinking they had more time to do anything. The only saviour would have been if Pecco didn't try and swoop across the front of Alex in the first place.

[iYRe]

I really enjoyed seeing MM putting it altogether for both the sprint and main race. Nailed the starts, kept off the slippery shit and ran two very controlled races. This will do wonders for his self belief.

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.

[Grumph]

Watching it had me questioning, can anyone think of another sport that matches Motorcycle racing for the shear scale and brutality combined with bodily vulnerability as to the physics involved when things go wrong?

Steeplechasing - horse racing over jumps. Pretty sure the armour needed to survive a horse falling on you hasn't been developed yet.

[BMWST?]

1.Pecco relied on AM to back off sooner and he was wrong in that decision and chopped him off.
2.Weather or not AM got the shits and ran into him is the second phase of the accident.

I like Pecco, not so keen on AM. Looking at the debates going on, I guess the stewards got it right.

are you saying in point 2 that Alex ran into him on purpose?

Pecco has shown this impatience before.He was going to pass Alex,probably would have done it on the back Straight.

[sugilite:Me]

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.

Ha! I saw that exact video and oh so came close to saying MM is rapidly filling his confidence cup!

Steeplechasing - horse racing over jumps. Pretty sure the armour needed to survive a horse falling on you hasn't been developed yet.

Very good point, I have seen some of those crashes and though bloody hell how do they not get trampled by a thousand hooves!

[iYRe]

Ha! I saw that exact video and oh so came close to saying MM is rapidly filling his confidence cup!

Hahaha excellent.. great minds eh!

[SaferRides]

I was watching "the good the bad and the rugby" and Jeremy Paul was saying confidence is like a cup you have to keep filling up. You cant just fill it and it stays that way.

Its pretty obvious now why Ducati chose MM and not the others.. if they can get 1 or 2 more good seasons from him its worth it, the others can take his spot after.

I think part of signing Marc was deciding who they didn't want riding for Aprillia! It became fairly obvious that either Marquez or Martin would sign for them if they didn't get a factory seat at Ducati.

There's a Mat Oxley article in Motorsport magazine saying how it could be a rerun of Senna vs. Prost. I doubt that somehow, but it should be entertaining.

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[Reckless]

are you saying in point 2 that Alex ran into him on purpose?

No Not on purpose but in the moment maybe its, fuck this, thats my line/corner, instead of easing a bit, then Pecco keeps coming over and between them both decisions =

As I say maybe the stewards got it right both to blame.

Anyway this weekend Basically same as last weekend

Enjoy

[iYRe]

After his win, MM went to the Honda garage and spoke to them

Asked on Thursday if he had spoken to his former crew chief Santi Hernandez, Marquez said: “Yesterday, I went to the Repsol Honda garage and I gathered all the group and I said: ‘feel part of this victory’.

“Not only Santi, but they also suffered with me. They helped me a lot in the very deep moments.


“So, that part of the garage, I want to say on the personal side that they also feel part of my process.”


After his final race with Honda in Valencia last year, Marquez remarked in his media debrief that the squad would be “the team of my life”.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10...aragon-victory


Also, soon to be chief of stewards, Mr Crafar said that both AM and PB were at fault and so the best call is the call the stewards made.
I agree, but I suspect next year Simon is going to be a lot more "diplomatic". At least the steward calls might be even more sensible.

[Grumph]

After his win, MM went to the Honda garage and spoke to them



https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10...aragon-victory


Also, soon to be chief of stewards, Mr Crafar said that both AM and PB were at fault and so the best call is the call the stewards made.
I agree, but I suspect next year Simon is going to be a lot more "diplomatic". At least the steward calls might be even more sensible.

I'd love to message Si and tell him to channel Ray Shearman when he's in the chair of the Stewards group.

Don't think he had much to do with Ray though so may not have seen him at his imperious best.