PM Chloe Swarbrick

[husaberg]

The scary thing is there is a generation of youngsters brainwashed by education system that think she is the Joan of Arc of our time. The youth have a thirst for revolution.unfortunately few have studied history enough to know what that always leads too….

I’ve yet to here any real solutions for anything come from here, just rants about how bad everything is, she should be on kiwibiker lol

okay boomer

[nerrrd]

I’ve yet to here any real solutions for anything come from here, just rants about how bad everything is, she should be on kiwibiker lol

You keep using this forum, I do not think it's for what you think it's for...

[R650R]

The Herald just gave Chloe a bit of oxygen or perhaps it was laughing gas because she ended her rant mentioning Rogernomics.
She’s not a fan apparently of the reforms in 1984 done by the lefty Labour Party in its fourth term.
While a lot of it was unpopular at the time it did cure the double digit inflation at time down to single figures.
Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

[pritch]

Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

The ghost of Thatcher is haunting the Poms. Thatcher privatised the gas industry. In the last year or so the company that owned seventy percent of the British gas storage capacity decided to go out of the gas storage business leaving Britain with very modest gas storage capacity. Price increases were fed straight into the system. Pensioners were getting power bills worth a thousand quid plus. The increases made electric cars expensive to run and have even (gasp) increased the price of whisky, and anything else that uses electricity in production. Which is pretty much everything.

[Cosmik de Bris]

I can't listen to chloe, she is just a drone on the radio, talks too fast and has little to no expression in her voice.

cheers

[nerrrd]

The Herald just gave Chloe a bit of oxygen or perhaps it was laughing gas because she ended her rant mentioning Rogernomics.
She’s not a fan apparently of the reforms in 1984 done by the lefty Labour Party in its fourth term.
While a lot of it was unpopular at the time it did cure the double digit inflation at time down to single figures.
Also quotes thatcher so hopefully she’s heard her line on socialism, “eventually you run out of other people’s mo way to spend”.
So that should leave you in no doubt what NZ will look like if greens ever get into power.

Ah Rogernomics, the last time everything got so unaffordable that there had to be an economic reset in Aotearoa.

Not that they magically made everything affordable, they just dropped the pretence that public services were too important to underfund and simply underfunded them in perpetuity. And privatised all the profitable (at the time) bits.

Don't think I want to be around for the next one, actually without a pension I guess I won't be for long.

[pete376403]

Ah Rogernomics, the last time everything got so unaffordable that there had to be an economic reset in Aotearoa.

Not that they magically made everything affordable, they just dropped the pretence that public services were too important to underfund and simply underfunded them in perpetuity. And privatised all the profitable (at the time) bits.

Don't think I want to be around for the next one, actually without a pension I guess I won't be for long.

Dont forget Ruthenasia, that was fun (for some) too

[pritch]

Dont forget Ruthenasia, that was fun (for some) too

Yeah. The rest of the world was having a boom time, Richardson and Shipley gave NZ a recession. That was so much fun (for some) that we are looking likely to repeat the experience.

[R650R]

The Dutch are acknowledged as pretty smart people, many speak several languages as part of normal education. Anyhow the farmers and people’s protest at green lunacy have created a positive result, our politicians should take note the people don’t want to starve or freeze to death due to green policies.

Six months after Geert Wilders won the Dutch election he has finally negotiated an agreement with a few minor parties to form government and the unthinkable has happened. The centre-of-the-road conservatives (referred to as “far right extremists”) got elected to unwind the worst excesses of the totalitarian left. Henceforth, the forced farm reclamations will stop, mandated heat pumps are out, electric car subsidies are going and in a brave scientific move, no one will be culling livestock to change the weather. The Netherlands won’t have to pursue stronger environmental policies than the rest of the EU so their leaders can show off at cocktail parties and get jobs with the UN. The Netherlands will still be tied to crazy EU rules, but those elections are coming next month. And official government ministers are so much harder to ignore in EU negotiations. The landscape has changed.

The Telegraph in the UK gets the message: The Tories should go to war on Net Zero. This applies everywhere else too. Tony Abbott didn’t win a 90 seat landslide victory in Australia by trying to do half a carbon tax. He won because he said he would Axe the Tax. (And Stop the Boats.)

The political candidate who goes to war on Stupid Plans has the freedom to point out the all the stupidity. The weaker man with a halfway plan is still agreeing with the witchcraft, he’s just suggesting a different spell. No wonder it doesn’t sell.

To arrange the deal Wilders gave up the Prime Ministership (a win no doubt for the namecalling mud slingers), but he appears to be the one in charge nonetheless. We hope he gets his day…


Dutch farmers force heat pumps about-turn
Meike Eijsberg London and James Crisp, The Telegraph

The Netherlands will tear up rules forcing homeowners to buy heat pumps as part of a war on net zero by Geert Wilders and the Dutch farmers’ party.

Six months after his shock election victory, Mr Wilders this week struck an agreement to usher in a Right-wing coalition government of four parties. “We are writing history,” he said as he announced the programme for the new government.

The new coalition marks the first time that a party focused on the interests of the agricultural sector has got into power in the Netherlands. Earlier this year, mass farmers’ protests swept Europe.

The coalition pact includes pledges to reverse green policies introduced under the previous government to hit EU climate targets, including compulsory buyouts of polluting farms. It also plans to end subsidies for electric cars in 2025 and rejects an EU demand that the Dutch reduce livestock numbers to cut pollution.

The Tories should go to war on net zero excess
Editorial, The Telegraph

But now even Western countries are starting to turn against the worst excesses of the green movement. The new Dutch coalition has released its programme for government, and at the heart of it are a swathe of pro-consumer, pro-energy security policies, reversing some of the bizarre environmental schemes introduced by its predecessors.

Among them was a programme to compulsorily purchase farms to meet EU climate targets. The result was a farmers’ revolt and a new insurgent political party. The coalition agreement tears up rules forcing homeowners to buy heat pumps, and scraps an obligation that the Netherlands should pursue a “more ambitious environment policy” than the rest of Europe.


Young voters are shifting right and breaking “taboos”
Geert Wilders party did better among 18 – 35 year olds than among some older groups. If all ages matched the younger vote his party would have won four more seats.

At Politico writers are worried that trends like this, which are also seen in Portugul and France mean the “taboos against voting for populist anti-immigration parties is fading”. Which begs the question of who decided that was taboo in the first place?

Their biggest fear is that even young voters are breaking out of their educational pens. They paint this as a devious “far right” opportunity, instead of what it really is, the young rebelling against a lifetime of propaganda. The old jargon and namecalling formula to bully the workers into submission isn’t working any more.

Geert Wilder turned all corners of Dutch Society into far right voters

By Hanne Cokelaere and Eva Hartog, Politico

Across Europe, far right parties are advancing with support from young — and first time — voters. Despite being one of the EU’s wealthiest countries, the Netherlands’ shortage of affordable housing has become a key concern. Amid rising prices, many have an increasingly cynical outlook on life. Unlike their parents and grandparents, this generation feels less restricted by party loyalties, making them more of a wild card and therefore an attractive pool of new voters for anti-establishment candidates.

“The older voter, who was still loyal, is dying; younger voters are going in all directions,” said Josse de Voogd, a Dutch researcher who has made electoral geography his specialty.

For far-right parties, that presents an opportunity.

Wilders’ success took many by surprise, but it is indicative of a broader trend: The taboo of voting for populist, anti-immigration parties is fading. In the June EU election, the European Parliament’s Identity and Democracy group is projected to reap the electoral benefits of increasingly broad support; also among young voters.

In Portugal, exit polls from the March election suggested that under-30s accounted for approximately 25 percent of those who voted for the far-right Chega party.

Young voters are looking for a strong leader and few men are as strong as Geert Wilders — the man who received countless death threats and lives under permanent guard, but keeps going.

Young voters are looking for a strong leader and few men are as strong as Geert Wilders — the man who received countless death threats and lives under permanent guard, but keeps going. It is easy to imagine the new Prime Minister (whoever that is) living in the shadow of the real leader, the man who takes risks.

[pete376403]

Hilarious - a country at almost as much risk as Kiribati or Tuvalu from rising sea levels rolling back climate change initiatives. It is not that long ago that much of the Netherlands was under the North Sea.

[nerrrd]

Hilarious - a country at almost as much risk as Kiribati or Tuvalu from rising sea levels rolling back climate change initiatives. It is not that long ago that much of the Netherlands was under the North Sea.

I guess when the sea does rise significantly, they might change their minds? At the moment most western democracies seem to be experiencing an existential emotional crisis brought on by harder economic times than they're accustomed to and doom scrolling on the internet. And a couple of wars.

'Charity begins at home', as the saying goes. Until they feel prosperous again, Kiribati and Tuvalu will have to look elsewhere (China perhaps?)

[pete376403]

I guess when the sea does rise significantly, they might change their minds? At the moment most western democracies seem to be experiencing an existential emotional crisis brought on by harder economic times than they're accustomed to and doom scrolling on the internet. And a couple of wars.

'Charity begins at home', as the saying goes. Until they feel prosperous again, Kiribati and Tuvalu will have to look elsewhere (China perhaps?)

You bet China is waiting there with open arms and chequebook. That Australian and NZ governments are warning abbut Chinese influence in the Pacific is all very well but it doesnt pay the bills. Also China has some experience in building up low lying (to the point of being underwater) islands

[husaberg]

Six months after Geert Wilders won the Dutch election he has finally negotiated an agreement with a few minor parties to form government and the unthinkable has happened. The centre-of-the-road conservatives (referred to as “far right extremists”) got elected to unwind the worst excesses of the totalitarian left.

Won the election? he got 37 seats out of 150 those minor parties you refer to nearly got as many seats as his party. I pick as it took him six months to get this far he will not even be prime minister.

[R650R]

Hilarious - a country at almost as much risk as Kiribati or Tuvalu from rising sea levels rolling back climate change initiatives. It is not that long ago that much of the Netherlands was under the North Sea.

Well they’re quite clever people. We’ve had about 30 solid years of fear porn news articles about rising sea levels and it hasn’t happened. If you go back and read mainstream news from 30 years ago you’ll find articles quoting scientists that seal levels are supposed to be a whole metre higher by now, hadn’t happened.

[neels]

Well they’re quite clever people. We’ve had about 30 solid years of fear porn news articles about rising sea levels and it hasn’t happened.

Um, yes it has (is).....

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