Inter island ferry

[BMWST?]

Hyundai would have delivered no question about it On time, on budget. However they and other overseas construction industries will be more careful from accepting big ticket jobs when a national government can cancel on a whim.

I am quite sure there will be some significant penalty clauses in those contracts.
But again the question i have is why were the supposed costs so far out from the 3 billion quoted as "too much". That to me is the question that needs answering

[pete376403]

I am quite sure there will be some significant penalty clauses in those contracts.
But again the question i have is why were the supposed costs so far out from the 3 billion quoted as "too much". That to me is the question that needs answering

The boat price was agreed on and contracted. The port facilities that the new boats would required was the problem, given that building costs are a moving target, especially earthquake regulations. DOnt overlook that the existing berths are largely unchanged since the Aramoana days. To be completely fair, the government should insist that the trucking industry rolls along on 60 year old highways, but there has never been a problem finding billions for roads

[BMWST?]

The boat price was agreed on and contracted. The port facilities that the new boats would required was the problem, given that building costs are a moving target, especially earthquake regulations. DOnt overlook that the existing berths are largely unchanged since the Aramoana days. To be completely fair, the government should insist that the trucking industry rolls along on 60 year old highways, but there has never been a problem finding billions for roads

I thought that was the case. A very poor process then that didnt look at the whole picture.

[pritch]

I thought that was the case. A very poor process then that didnt look at the whole picture.

They did better than Britain when Chris Grayling was secretary of transport. Grayling was an "interesting" character. Seemingly his only attribute was that he was a total Boris/Brexit loyalist. His first move when appointed to be in charge of the justice system had been to ban books in prisons. WTF?

As secretary of transport he signed a contract for a new cross channel ferry service to operate from a different port. The shipping operator, which had no ships, had difficulty finding a suitable ship. It then transpired that the proposed port would need to be fully dredged. Next it quickly became apparent that were no suitable dredges available. The bad publicity was building so the contract was cancelled. The shipping company then sued the government and won. The Government had also been sued by the channel tunnel company over the deal with the shipping company so the total cost of lost legal actions was in the region of fifty million quid.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...a-cost-of-£50m

Of course we don't yet know how much our cancelled contract will cost.

[F5 Dave]

Haha, we can laugh at the stupid Brits. . .
But not too long or too loud.

What a slow train crash this all is.

[pete376403]

After the backlash against the NACtfirst govt, suddenly there is money in the tin after all - "Willis says $7.5 billion available to draw on for new Cook Strait ferries" will that include the $300 million contract cancellation cost with Hyundai? https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/...o_draw_on_for/

[SaferRides]

A little gem in the Herald. The cancellation cost for the ferries is looking like $200-300m and may not be known for some time, the contract price was $551m.

Total cockup by KiwiRail / Labour, but didn't anyone in the new government look into the cost of cancelling the contract before starting the process???

And this at the end of the article: "KiwiRail has previously reported shipbrokers estimated just 22 such ships in the world would be suitable to traverse the Cook Strait and none of them were for sale"



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[nerrrd]

Becoming more apparent that they've shot themselves in the foot over this one.

Not just an infrastructure issue, will have a pretty dire effect on tourism as well if it can't be adequately sorted (one of our biggest earners?)

I imagine building new wharves these days is orders of magnitude more expensive than it used to be (due to modern earthquake/construction/safety standards) regardless of size or scope.

[pete376403]

A little gem in the Herald. The cancellation cost for the ferries is looking like $200-300m and may not be known for some time, the contract prices was $551m.

Total cockup by KiwiRail / Labour, but didn't anyone in the new government look into the cost of cancelling the contract before starting the process???

And this at the end of the article: "KiwiRail has previously reported shipbrokers estimated just 22 such ships in the world would be suitable to traverse the Cook Strait and none of them were for sale"

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If a "total cockup by kiwirail / labour", what term would you use to describe NactFirsts" subsequent actions?

[jellywrestler]

A little gem in the Herald. The cancellation cost for the ferries is looking like $200-300m and may not be known for some time, the contract price was $551m.

Total cockup by KiwiRail / Labour, but didn't anyone in the new government look into the cost of cancelling the contract before starting the process???

And this at the end of the article: "KiwiRail has previously reported shipbrokers estimated just 22 such ships in the world would be suitable to traverse the Cook Strait and none of them were for sale"



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should get them delivered and use them for the homeless, cheaper than the motels still fleecing us maybe?

[Grumph]

should get them delivered and use them for the homeless, cheaper than the motels still fleecing us maybe?

Cruise ships would work well for that. And there's a surplus of them atm.

[R650R]

should get them delivered and use them for the homeless, cheaper than the motels still fleecing us maybe?

And the subsequent rise in accidental drownings would make the road toll look good. Incidentally 300-500million is about a weeks worth of welfare payments in this country…
Actually a good use would be the extra prison beds this govt promised. If we anchor it deep in Southern Ocean near Campbell island it should solve any escape attempts.

Let’s not forget the fast ferry wake debacle some years ago. Doing a bit of reading and some people thought the new boats would be too big with various increased dangers when things go wrong.

[Moi]

Why NZ needs to invest properly in rail and ferry infrastructure, for the public good - Bryce Edwards’ Political Roundup

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nz...MIMDDSFCVWJMM/

[SaferRides]

Today's revelation in the Herald is that Kaitaki has a missing stabiliser and can't sail in swells of more than 4m. With the Aratere out of action and the 3rd ferry away for maintenance, this could result in no KiwiRail sailings if it gets a bit rough in Cook Strait.


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[Berries]

should get them delivered and use them for the homeless, cheaper than the motels still fleecing us maybe?

Has been tried before with much success - life-onboard-a-prison-hulk