New zealand refugee quota

[Kb2020dope]

Hi,

Some of my staff members are having difficulty in finding housing for themselves and their families. This is due to new zealand currently having a housing crisis. In 2020 the New Zealand labour party increased our refugee quota from 1000 to 1500. I'm all for helping out people who have no other options but ,if hard working, tax paying kiwis are failing to find accommodation we failing them.

I'm a bit frustrated with the fact Refugee's are entering our country, being gifted accommodation and a good percentage are not contributing to our society.


What are your views on this?

[jellywrestler]

What are your views on this?

what bikes do they ride?

[1/32 man]

I'm a bit frustrated with the fact Refugee's are entering our country, being gifted accommodation and a good percentage are not contributing to our society.

Call out the national guard, call out the border patrol, separate the children from their families and stick them in cages,......that is what trumpf did.

You have staff? sheesh, really truly?

[wetanz]

... part of the cloward piven strategy

[nerrrd]

You don't think the 173,000 new immigrants in 2023 might have something to do with it?

1500 is less than 1% of that.

The housing crisis is 30 years in the making, mostly due to the (understandable) growth in property investment during this time, which incentivises constant price increases in every aspect of the accommodation and building industries, funded by vast amounts of borrowing (check out the levels of private debt in NZ, it's quite sobering).

1500 refugees is a bacterium on the back of a flee on the back of a very large dog compared to our own (understandable) desire to make profits from the housing market.

[Kb2020dope]

what bikes do they ride?

I'm not sure. I just hope they contribute or get on their bikes!

[Kb2020dope]

Call out the national guard, call out the border patrol, separate the children from their families and stick them in cages,......that is what trumpf did.

You have staff? sheesh, really truly?

That was for illegal immigrants. Criminals. Criminals belong behind bars.

[Kb2020dope]

You don't think the 173,000 new immigrants in 2023 might have something to do with it?

1500 is less than 1% of that.

The housing crisis is 30 years in the making, mostly due to the (understandable) growth in property investment during this time, which incentivises constant price increases in every aspect of the accommodation and building industries, funded by vast amounts of borrowing (check out the levels of private debt in NZ, it's quite sobering).

1500 refugees is a bacterium on the back of a flee on the back of a very large dog compared to our own (understandable) desire to make profits from the housing market.

A large number of immigrants and skilled and are here to contribute. 1500 refugees per year are taking opportunities from 1500 kiwis per year.

Imagine if you were a refugee trying to flea new zealand. Most of these countries wouldn't even consider taking you in.

[nerrrd]

A large number of immigrants and skilled and are here to contribute. 1500 refugees per year are taking opportunities from 1500 kiwis per year.

Imagine if you were a refugee trying to flea new zealand. Most of these countries wouldn't even consider taking you in.

Can't speek to the mind set or intentions of refugeas, I have no direct experience with them. But if they're 'taking opportunities' from New Zealanders, doesn't that mean they are making a contribution (through those opportunities)?

Anyway, how do you define 'making a contribution'? There will be long term sickness beneficiaries, working families getting 'working for families' tax credits and accommodation supplements (due to the housing crisis), high worth individuals with similarly high powered accountants, all of whom probably pay no tax beyond GST. I suspect there are many more of those than non-contribution-making refugees in New Zealand

And I would challenge you to stand up in front of a group of actual refugees, hear their stories, look them (and their children) in the eyes and tell them they're not welcome here and should all go home. I couldn't do it.

[jellywrestler]

1500 refugees per year are taking opportunities from 1500 kiwis per year.

have you tried running a bakery and get new zealand staff to turn up reliably at 3 AM, or trying to get nz people to pick apples and grapes?

[Kb2020dope]

Can't speek to the mind set or intentions of refugeas, I have no direct experience with them. But if they're 'taking opportunities' from New Zealanders, doesn't that mean they are making a contribution (through those opportunities)?

Anyway, how do you define 'making a contribution'? There will be long term sickness beneficiaries, working families getting 'working for families' tax credits and accommodation supplements (due to the housing crisis), high worth individuals with similarly high powered accountants, all of whom probably pay no tax beyond GST. I suspect there are many more of those than non-contribution-making refugees in New Zealand

And I would challenge you to stand up in front of a group of actual refugees, hear their stories, look them (and their children) in the eyes and tell them they're not welcome here and should all go home. I couldn't do it.

Hey mate,

They are taking housing opportunities from new Zealanders.

That is a great point! The are plenty of bludger kiwis out there. I guess those bludger kiwis are unfortunately our problem. When others countries problems arrive here, the tax payers have no choice but to support them. I find this unfair. I think if you and I were refugees in 10 years time a lot of the countries we have supported would not take us in.

[Kb2020dope]

have you tried running a bakery and get new zealand staff to turn up reliably at 3 AM, or trying to get nz people to pick apples and grapes?

No, if I ran a bakery I would be 3 axe handles wide across the back. With great management you can turn any employee into a reliable staff member.

[wetanz]

have you tried running a bakery and get new zealand staff to turn up reliably at 3 AM, or trying to get nz people to pick apples and grapes?

... one of my cousins is a baker, been in business at least 30 yrs, employs 10 or so people, small northland town, competes with an asian bakery at the bottom of town ... both bakeries very popular
... his brother, butcher, competes successfully with new world and countdown - both jobs long hours, early starts - with local employees
... currently orange picking season around kerikeri, a few fijian pickers, mostly local

[Kb2020dope]

... one of my cousins is a baker, been in business at least 30 yrs, employs 10 or so people, small northland town, competes with an asian bakery at the bottom of town ... both bakeries very popular
... his brother, butcher, competes successfully with new world and countdown - both jobs long hours, early starts - with local employees
... currently orange picking season around kerikeri, a few fijian pickers, mostly local

This goes to show your cousin is a great manager. I imagine he has a good tight team of long-term staff that he looks after and in return they respect him and perform at a high level. It can be done.

[wetanz]

Call out the national guard, call out the border patrol, separate the children from their families and stick them in cages,......that is what trumpf did.

You have staff? sheesh, really truly?

AP FACT CHECK: Michelle Obama and the kids in ‘cages’

By CALVIN WOODWARD and HOPE YEN
Published 4:24 PM GMT+12, August 18, 2020

WASHINGTON (AP) — Michelle Obama assailed President Donald Trump on Monday for ripping migrant children from their parents and throwing them into cages, picking up on a frequent and distorted point made widely by Democrats.

She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before. But what she did not say is that the very same “cages” were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily.

A look at her remark in the keynote address at the opening night of the remote Democratic National Convention:

MICHELLE OBAMA, on Americans: “They watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages.”

THE FACTS: The reference to cages is misleading and a matter that Democrats have persistently distorted.

Trump used facilities that were built during the Obama-Biden administration to house children at the border. They are chain-link enclosures inside border facilities where migrants were temporarily housed, separated by sex and age.

At the height of the controversy over Trump’s zero-tolerance policy at the border, photos that circulated online of children in the enclosures generated great anger. But those photos — by The Associated Press — were taken in 2014 and depicted some of the thousands of unaccompanied children held by President Barack Obama.

When that fact came to light, some Democrats and activists who had tweeted the photos deleted their tweets. But prominent Democrats have continued to cite cages for children as a distinctive cruelty of Trump.