New zealand refugee quota

[pete376403]

thats got nothhing to do with the diussion here.Its no less "democratic" than what has happened here when a prime ministers is rolled or say in the Uk who had Many prime ministers in one term

Yeah it should have been in the trump thread, not sure how it ended up here.

[F5 Dave]

Straight from wiki. How British colonialism help those savages get ahead

". . . India experienced deindustrialisation and cessation of various craft industries under British rule,[12] which along with fast economic and population growth in the Western world, resulted in India's share of the world economy declining from 24.4% in 1700 to 4.2% in 1950. . . "

[R650R]

A bit of comedy and some cold hard facts about colonialism and its effects. For some unknown reason the series visits only four countries and we didn’t make the cut. Guess we’re just part of Australian now with so many people fleeing there, sorry relocating.

No wonder they stomach working in 40deg with creepy crawlies and crocs everywhere when you hear what conditions were like in prison and voyage over here.

[Berries]

For some unknown reason the series visits only four countries and we didn’t make the cut.

A few muskets being shot doesn't really put little old NZ on the map when it comes to some of the atrocities committed around the globe in the name of Empire.

[Katman]

A few muskets being shot doesn't really put little old NZ on the map when it comes to some of the atrocities committed around the globe in the name of Empire.

For the first 40 years of the 19th century the almost exclusive use of muskets in New Zealand was Maori shooting Maori.

[TheDemonLord]

Straight from wiki. How British colonialism help those savages get ahead

". . . India experienced deindustrialisation and cessation of various craft industries under British rule,[12] which along with fast economic and population growth in the Western world, resulted in India's share of the world economy declining from 24.4% in 1700 to 4.2% in 1950. . . "

Did Indias share of the world economy decline because the Indian Economy shrunk...

Or did it decline because others (such as Post WW2 USA) absolutely sky-rocketed in that time period.

Even if you look at per-capita GDP, you have to factor in that the population was steadily rising. Then when the 1900s hit (and modern medicine was introduced) - it really increased.

Deindustrialization of India is a complex subject, I personally consider it to be more historical revisionism than anything else. The key fact is that India had Industry, but not Industrial industry.

When Britain created textile machines, this basically made hand-made clothing items uncompetitive - which was a major source of export and trade.

A lot of the research in this topic is from Indian Scholars - who tend to adopt the idea that if it wasnt for the British Empire, India would be a perfect Utopia.

It also ignores the amount of Investment that Britain put into India to have a rail network and setting up heavy industry. Some of which still exists today.

[TheDemonLord]

Jamaican sugar plantation slaves, for example. Cecil Rhodes exploitation of the black africans in the De Beers diamond mines would be another

King Ghezo, of Benin:

The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery

Remember kids, Africa had a well developed and established Slave Trade before the Europeans showed up.

Also - lets not talk too much about the Arabic Slave trade.... Really does undermine the idea that Europeans were the monsters...

[Katman]

Remember kids, Africa had a well developed and established Slave Trade before the Europeans showed up.

So did the Maoris.

[TheDemonLord]

So did the Maoris.

I would disagree - I would say the Maori had well established cultural practice, but not a Trade.

There is a difference between a war party capturing people and forcing them into slavery (which, again, every culture on earth did at one point)

And specifically going on a raiding party to capture slaves to trade with other groups.

Whilst both are barbaric - there is a difference in intent, one is the by-product of a conflict - the other isnt.

[Katman]

I would disagree - I would say the Maori had well established cultural practice, but not a Trade.

Slaves certainly got passed around amongst Maori tribes.

[TheDemonLord]

Slaves certainly got passed around amongst Maori tribes.

Was that specifically for Trade or was that as part of gift giving and protocol?

This may seem pedantic - many cultures who interacted with other tribes would give gifts to each other (including Slaves) - but the practice of going out specifically to capture slaves with the sole intent of selling them was something that was well-established in Africa.

The Europeans came along and said: We will buy as much as you can sell.

Which is morally wrong - the point is that there is this myth that it was some european invention, it was not.

[pritch]

There was a trade in tattooed heads but that was after the Europeans arrived. Apparently it was not unknown for slaves to be tattooed specifically so that they could be beheaded and the head sold. Entrepreneurial initiative was alive and well. Even if the aforementioned slave wasn't.