ACC - Here we go again

[jellywrestler]

i see elsewhere a whole lot of random protests by people wo think they have the answer for this.One is lets all put our bikes on hold.
Firstly they dont all expire on the same day so if everyone did it it would take a year, secondly, it's a good way for the government to remove the on hold option, and legislate unregistered vehicles are crushed.
Be careful for what you wish for eh?

[SaferRides]

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[Berries]

i see elsewhere a whole lot of random protests by people wo think they have the answer for this.One is lets all put our bikes on hold.
Firstly they dont all expire on the same day so if everyone did it it would take a year, secondly, it's a good way for the government to remove the on hold option, and legislate unregistered vehicles are crushed.
Be careful for what you wish for eh?

I don't think they were listening - motorcycle-advocacy-group-says-dont-pay-your-rego

And a protest ride tomorrow I just read about - opposition-fee-hike-prompts-bike-rally. Never really knew how many people were on KB but thought it might have been posted here. More details on FaceBook I guess if anyone fancies riding with a large group of people and proving the point by falling off.

[rastuscat]

A couple of thoughts on this one.

If the price goes up, the number of people paying is likely to go down. This is likely to have been factored into any decision, as the actuaries at ACC have been down this road before. It's not their first rodeo.

But I recently put some reg on my bike, as I was going to be riding it somewhere that detection was far more likely. And now that I have it licenced, I am more inclined to ride it.

Odd, but putting the price up may cause more riding, as those who do licence their bikes are more likely to want to get use from them.

Funny where the mind goes when it's empty.

[Berries]

But I recently put some reg on my bike, as I was going to be riding it somewhere that detection was far more likely.

Of all the people on KB I thought you would be the one riding legal, not just riding legal where detection was more likely.

[rastuscat]

Of all the people on KB I thought you would be the one riding legal, not just riding legal where detection was more likely.

The bike has been on hold and unused for months, just popped a new WoF and some reg on it to do the work commute, just to keep the bike ticking over. Used it again yesterday.

Once the reg expires, I'll be having to decide if it's worth doing, as I use it infrequently at the best of times.

Worry not, I've not used it illegally. You're right, I'm basically a hyper-compliant plonker.

[SaferRides]

The bike has been on hold and unused for months, just popped a new WoF and some reg on it to do the work commute, just to keep the bike ticking over. Used it again yesterday.

Once the reg expires, I'll be having to decide if it's worth doing, as I use it infrequently at the best of times.

Worry not, I've not used it illegally. You're right, I'm basically a hyper-compliant plonker.

I suspect you're in the minority. I have a friend who regos his bike 3 months a year. I do better than that, but my bike is never regoed for 12 months.

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[pritch]

Worry not, I've not used it illegally. You're right, I'm basically a hyper-compliant plonker.

Which is kinda how it should be. Next door neighbour works in a safety related role in the oil industry. When he mows his lawn he wears full ppe: boots, glasses, ear muffs. What you do all day at work carries over into your own time.

[nerrrd]

I understand there might be an automatic discount coming as part of these changes for doing the Rideforever courses?

If so that's a baby step in the right direction, now I want my no claims bonus.

[rastuscat]

I understand there might be an automatic discount coming as part of these changes for doing the Rideforever courses?

If so that's a baby step in the right direction, now I want my no claims bonus.

The Cashback scheme is effectively a discount system.

When it was proposed, it arose from the consultation where people said that safer riders should get cheaper vehicle licensing.

Thing is, it's not easy to prove who is a safer rider. People with no ACC injury history might be lucky, or live in a dark room they never leave. They might only have ever ridden one bike 5 km when they were young, 37 years ago.

ACC knows that people who do Ride Forever courses are statistically between 27% and 50% safer than the equivalent rider who hasn't done a course. So they set up cashback, where you get money back each year dependant on attendance at Ride Forever courses.

It was an incentive to attract experienced riders to attend. The Bronze and Silver courses don't qualify, as those riders get the advantage of a faster licence progression, that's their incentive.

When proposed, the idea was that someone who does Ride Forever courses pay less for the vehicle licencing. But it's a multi million dollar endeavour to integrate the POS system at NZTA agents with the various Ride Forever contractor attendance records.

So the cashback system was set up as a manual process, where it's a bit of a faff, but it's as good as it can be until Govt agencies integrate their payment systems, and Ride Forever trainers can provide real time records as to who has completed the training courses.

You can see the problem. Someone does a course on a Sunday, then on Monday they want cheaper bike licensing when they re-licence their bike. It can't happen that way, as it takes time for their attendance to be lodged with ACC, who require their providers to send in attendance records monthly. There's no live reporting system. Each training company uses different booking and reporting systems, as they are separate companies.

So, Cashback bascailly gives you some of your money back, for attending a Gold course. It's a discount, it just doesn't look like one.

[nerrrd]

The Cashback scheme is effectively a discount system.

When it was proposed, it arose from the consultation where people said that safer riders should get cheaper vehicle licensing.

Thing is, it's not easy to prove who is a safer rider. People with no ACC injury history might be lucky, or live in a dark room they never leave. They might only have ever ridden one bike 5 km when they were young, 37 years ago.

ACC knows that people who do Ride Forever courses are statistically between 27% and 50% safer than the equivalent rider who hasn't done a course. So they set up cashback, where you get money back each year dependant on attendance at Ride Forever courses.

It was an incentive to attract experienced riders to attend. The Bronze and Silver courses don't qualify, as those riders get the advantage of a faster licence progression, that's their incentive.

When proposed, the idea was that someone who does Ride Forever courses pay less for the vehicle licencing. But it's a multi million dollar endeavour to integrate the POS system at NZTA agents with the various Ride Forever contractor attendance records.

So the cashback system was set up as a manual process, where it's a bit of a faff, but it's as good as it can be until Govt agencies integrate their payment systems, and Ride Forever trainers can provide real time records as to who has completed the training courses.

You can see the problem. Someone does a course on a Sunday, then on Monday they want cheaper bike licensing when they re-licence their bike. It can't happen that way, as it takes time for their attendance to be lodged with ACC, who require their providers to send in attendance records monthly. There's no live reporting system. Each training company uses different booking and reporting systems, as they are separate companies.

So, Cashback bascailly gives you some of your money back, for attending a Gold course. It's a discount, it just doesn't look like one.

I'm aware of that and have taken advantage of it, but it's an opt in system, not automatic (and since your eligibility is judged over a series of two year periods, it can be hard to keep track of.)

If they're able to offer it in a simpler way, that suits me (yes, for the obvious reason), and maybe opens up the possibility of further discounts?

I am too simple to not pay.

[neels]

From memory the last time I looked at this I didn't qualify for a discount, as I'd only done one course and it required more than that.

I'll have to have another look and see if there's something I can do that involves riding a bike and saving money, that's usually a rare combination.

From a bigger picture point of view, if I pay my rego for the year it's $10 a week, there's a lot of other optional shit in life that costs more than that.

[pritch]

From a bigger picture point of view, if I pay my rego for the year it's $10 a week, there's a lot of other optional shit in life that costs more than that.

True. A great many people pay more than that for their recreational chemical of choice. $10 would barely pay for a beer in a pub? (That's a guess, I'm outa touch.)

[onearmedbandit]

$10 a week is how I look at it too. Now it might be heading to $15 or thereabouts. As Pritch pointed out, that wouldn't get you two beers in a pub, or a packet of cigarettes.

[jellywrestler]

$10 a week is how I look at it too. Now it might be heading to $15 or thereabouts. As Pritch pointed out, that wouldn't get you two beers in a pub, or a packet of cigarettes.

two beers in a pub? where as you'd walk a long way to find prices anywhere near that; as for ciggies, dont think so