MotoGP 2025

[pritch]

Not wishing to be too pessimistic but... There are numerous reports of dealerships in Britain closing. Pessimists are talking of motorcycling dying. The arse has reportedly dropped out of the UK classic bike market too.

Nothing is moving in the American car yards. US motorcycle sales are flat and Harley sales are falling.

It would seem that this is not a great time for KTM to be having money troubles. Neither would it seem to be a great time for another manufacturer to enter MotoGP, but they will doubtless have their own economists watching closely.

[Grumph]

Suzuki have acknowledged that a return to racing will happen, maybe they can buy KTM's slot. Mind you Dorna has always said there's room for another manufacturer so they might not need that slot. Of course I'd love to see them back, but they have lost a lot of key staff so it would be a long road for them. HRC's budget is said to be bigger than the entire budget of Suzuki, cars, bikes and marine.

Since the 1970's Suzuki's race programme has been sponsor driven. They don't pay for their own racing - at the top level.

In reply to Pritch I'd also point out the asian market for small bikes is still booming. That's where the Japanese brands make their money.
Not the US or Europe. Basic transportation still sells in asia.

[onearmedbandit]

Since the 1970's Suzuki's race programme has been sponsor driven. They don't pay for their own racing - at the top level.

That's interesting to know. They must have quite a good arrangement as the last time they were in MotoGP "Suzuki" took up most of the fairing space with Ecstar and Monster getting minor areas.

In reply to Pritch I'd also point out the asian market for small bikes is still booming. That's where the Japanese brands make their money.
Not the US or Europe. Basic transportation still sells in asia.

Yeah their presence in that market is huge. and as you point out where they see the bulk of their returns.

[Grumph]

That's interesting to know. They must have quite a good arrangement as the last time they were in MotoGP "Suzuki" took up most of the fairing space with Ecstar and Monster getting minor areas.

Your own fairing is a good example. Suzuki is relatively small and when a sponsor wants out Suzuki usually drops out too. Rarely have they had another waiting to take over.

[onearmedbandit]

Your own fairing is a good example. Suzuki is relatively small and when a sponsor wants out Suzuki usually drops out too. Rarely have they had another waiting to take over.

I was thinking of this era.

[F5 Dave]

So another plug for Oxley Bom podcast, this a patrion release . They give an insight on how it is possible for a competitor to 'harvest' data from the practice lap you see. Dorna control the onbike cameras and mandate the Can bus data so they can display those cool graphics depicting the circle of data you the viewer sees.

Lean angle isn't that useful maybe, but a lap shows (the time for a lap they can see if it's worth learning from), but speed, gear, Green line, percent of throttle at bar openings, and brake pressure Red line. From the Audio they can determine Revs. With all that on screen, you can teach Ai to depict those in relationship to the others in a typical 2D chart, the like you've seen on various bike mag articles.

Once you've done this you can do it everytime they show a lap on feed, then obviously compare it with you own bike data with just those parameters. Just one of the ways to measure where you may be behind and what to work on.

[Grumph]

So another plug for Oxley Bom podcast, this a patrion release . They give an insight on how it is possible for a competitor to 'harvest' data from the practice lap you see. Dorna control the onbike cameras and mandate the Can bus data so they can display those cool graphics depicting the circle of data you the viewer sees.

Lean angle isn't that useful maybe, but a lap shows (the time for a lap they can see if it's worth learning from), but speed, gear, Green line, percent of throttle at bar openings, and brake pressure Red line. From the Audio they can determine Revs. With all that on screen, you can teach Ai to depict those in relationship to the others in a typical 2D chart, the like you've seen on various bike mag articles.

Once you've done this you can do it everytime they show a lap on feed, then obviously compare it with you own bike data with just those parameters. Just one of the ways to measure where you may be behind and what to work on.

And I thought it was sneaky some years back when F1 teams were analysing the audio to discover what RPM the opposition was using....But afaik that was all they were able to check - then.
So now Dorna or whoever winds up owning MotoGP can leak information selectively if they wish - simply by picking what goes to the public feed.
And what doesn't.

[F5 Dave]

Yes, but they are probably showing pole sitters anyway. Not many people will be tuning in to see how poor Luca is doing on the *onda.

[Grumph]

Yes, but they are probably showing pole sitters anyway. Not many people will be tuning in to see how poor Luca is doing on the *onda.

Wonder what the fines are for having "unreliable" camera and data feeds.

[F5 Dave]

Apparently it is mandatory how it's setup. To add some dither would be very hard and detected if the laptimes did not match. Expulsion would not be worth the risk. Of course you don't know when they will show your lap, if at all, so no sandbagging.

[jellywrestler]

decent story on TV1 tonight on Cormac Buchanan heading to Moto3
no idea how to provide a link, someone else may?

[onearmedbandit]

decent story on TV1 tonight on Cormac Buchanan heading to Moto3
no idea how to provide a link, someone else may?

I screen recorded it, hopefully it doesn't get flagged.

[SaferRides]

Yeah, great opportunity for him. Might have to start watching Moto3.

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[Grumph]

I wish him all the best - but can see two potential problems off the bat.

Size. He's not a small unit and hasn't finished growing. Moto3 rides have been lost due to being too tall or 5kg too heavy.

Temperament. He seems a nice guy. In Moto3 you need to be a ruthless arrogant bastard who will ride over anyone to win.

[SaferRides]

A couple of interesting articles on motomatters,com with predictions for 2025. https://motomatters.com/analysis/202...edictions.html

No prizes for guessing his pick for world champion!

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