The Dogcati

[husaberg]

I started stripping down the Dogcati on the weekend.
I found some good some bad.
The ST4 has a truly tiny airbox, The header Pipes why they may look cool have been modified and might need some remedial work.
St4's whilst not having a flash spaghetti style race exhaust are a performance mod for 851/888's.


https://www.bikeboy.org/888st4ex.html

I found the rear master and a lot of other missing parts in the spares box.
I also solved why the front brake was so shit, the lever was hitting the throttle. I am glad I resisted the urge to take it for a drive especially after I noticed the chain running out of line.
the throttle is a two handful job but I am pretty sure I can move the pivot to shorten the throw.


I am a bit undecided what to do with the wheels as it has a early front with a mismatched late rear.
I do kind of like the early wheels but they are heavier than the later and the late ones are heavy.
Anyone out there with Any Ducati three spoke wheels or Yamaha FZR 3.5x17 and 5.5x17.

Early

Late

for reference below is a 89 FZR1000 these ran the same pattern discs.
I assume due to the association with Cagiva/ducati and Yamaha brembo at the same time
I do prefer white wheels as I guess that's what Ducatis and most other bikes had when I was young and impressionable.

[HenryDorsetCase]

This is a very unusual thread, in that it is about motorcycles on a notionally motorcyling website. Bravo!


Start as you mean to go on my son:

https://dymag.com/product/up7x/

[husaberg]

This is a very unusual thread, in that it is about motorcycles on a notionally motorcyling website. Bravo!


Start as you mean to go on my son:

https://dymag.com/product/up7x/

I do like Dymags but the works ducatis tended to run Marvics
https://www.marvic.it/en/prodotto/vintage-streamline/

they make them again but they are unfortunately outside the budget especially considering the Dogcati was a 2k bike. With a total 5k Budget.The Marvic wheels themselves are about that in USD
So I will settle for some stickers that say Marvic.
I seem to remember thats about what the cost in the 90's



i did find very interesting mod though, the Battery on the DOgati Streetfighter conversion which was tucked under the brown seat was found to have a rather innovative method of securing it.
Double sided tape.
as I like
the 851/916 positioning

Ducati electrics tend to have a certain reputation, so having it accessable the beside of the engine might be more practical
Not sure where the ST4 has its std but I thought the monster had it under the tank?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ducati electrics tend to have a certain reputation, so having it accessable the beside of the engine might be more practical
Not sure where the ST4 has its std but I thought the monster had it under the tank?

M unit and CAN bus.

I should be able to tell you where the battery is on an early Monster as I owned one. Under the seat I think?

on the 1100 monster it was under the air box up top because I was going to put a battery tender lead on it and you basically had to pull half the thing to bits to get to it.

I am lusting after Ducatis again. Theres been a Desert Sled X thingy parked outside work for the last two days and its way cooler than the Husqvarna but also literally three times the price.

[husaberg]

M unit and CAN bus.

I should be able to tell you where the battery is on an early Monster as I owned one. Under the seat I think?

on the 1100 monster it was under the air box up top because I was going to put a battery tender lead on it and you basically had to pull half the thing to bits to get to it.

I am lusting after Ducatis again. Theres been a Desert Sled X thingy parked outside work for the last two days and its way cooler than the Husqvarna but also literally three times the price.

One of the coolest things about Ducati's is even the doggiest ones are dead sexy. They are also compared to say a CBR600rr or YZ450F, pretty dam user friendly to work on.
The only thing that's frustrating is the weight of the thing without front and rear stands.
I have had a bit of extra money a few times over the last 10 years years and each time i have talked myself out of a 916/996.
i thought it was silly as i would likely splatter myself all over the road/truck bonnet.
But now i think i have kind of caught the "Ducati bug" and i think the only cure is get a real 916 /996/998 sometime soon.
That desert Ducati thing does looks kind of cool in yellow and white.

[Kickaha]

Mid nineties the batteries were up under the tank, the side mounted battery isn't as accessible as you may think with stock fairings anyway on the ST2, not sure about the ST3/4

[neels]

i did find very interesting mod though, the Battery on the DOgati Streetfighter conversion which was tucked under the brown seat was found to have a rather innovative method of securing it.
Double sided tape.

Not sure where the ST4 has its std but I thought the monster had it under the tank?

Assuming the ST4 is the same as the ST2, it's in a plastic frame hanging on the right side of the frame beside the engine.

Super winning design, requires removal of the mirrors, upper fairing and both right side fairings to change it.

AGM battery under the seat is probably the only way to make it disappear.

[F5 Dave]

Wait a few years (likely anyway). Whatever comes after Lithium will be small enough to mount as handlebar ends.

And hopefully not be a fire risk with dooklattery electrics.

[sugilite:Me]

I do prefer white wheels as I guess that's what Ducatis and most other bikes had when I was young and impressionable.

Ahhhh, the eighties - I loved looking at the white wheels.
I also hated cleaning the white wheels!

[husaberg]

Mid nineties the batteries were up under the tank, the side mounted battery isn't as accessible as you may think with stock fairings anyway on the ST2, not sure about the ST3/4

Cheers, I had an inkling of them being there, but looks like when they stopped the previous carb side by side, for fuel injection with the throttle bodies spread apart in the V, As they never had the room. Especially with a bike like the ST that was meant to be a sports tourer with a decent size tank unlike the city poser Monster. they also need a larger airbox as even the st4 one is tiny and they seem far bigger than the carb monster ones.
Now it makes makes sense now how bulbous those monster tanks were as a result plus how tiny the airbox was on them.

Assuming the ST4 is the same as the ST2, it's in a plastic frame hanging on the right side of the frame beside the engine.

Super winning design, requires removal of the mirrors, upper fairing and both right side fairings to change it.
There is also the option of two smaller ones or blades.

AGM battery under the seat is probably the only way to make it disappear.

Looks like that's where is supposed to be ,I guess he decided to make a show of the "oil container radiator overflow"
I would want it a little lower

Myself personally I prefer the HRC Lab bottle zip tie solution.


however I found some of these at Mums the other day, I am pretty sure they are 1950-60's racing push bike water bottles.
JB did something similar on the V1000 although I think his were spraypainting pots stolen from Bob Brookland. So its legit big twin tech.


In-spite of everyone's obvious deep seated love for the Brown seat, The seat I intend to use will not have the room.
I will I guess have to sort a way of making the non ST fairing QD. plus I will have some remote cables if needed.

Ahhhh, the eighties - I loved looking at the white wheels.
I also hated cleaning the white wheels!

I really like that white wheels and red look of the early to mid 90s Ducatis.
There is one year I like the colour of, they seemed (like Ferrari )to change the Rosso red every year. I like the slightly "oranger "of the reds.
looks like arround 1991 same with the Decal font.

[husaberg]

I mentioned earlier the Dogcati has a mismatched front wheel
I was talking to one of the better humans the world has Andy at https://www.ducatispares.co.nz/
or https://www.facebook.com/Ducatispares.co.nz

I asked him about the wheel I said it was a bit odd looking and it looked like the bearings had been changed and guess what......
It seems the bearing were changed to get the early wheel to suit the 25mm late axel forks but these 47x25x12 thus are thinner then the original 17m axel 47x17x14mm or 47x20x14mm
No real issue...as long as the spacer is made to suit, but what the fuck is the silicon for......




On the plus side as well as lots of great advice and new consumables and other really cool stuff, Andy had the 916 S4 alloy rear swingarm.
The early monsters had a short alloy arm as did the 851/888, but the ST4 is steel and a little longer the ST4S and some ST3's had an Longer Alloy arm.

[Grumph]

[QUOTE=husaberg;1131231437]
however I found some of these at Mums the other day, I am pretty sure they are 1950-60's racing push bike water bottles.
JB did something similar on the V1000 although I think his were spraypainting pots stolen from Bob Brookland. So its legit big twin tech.


I'd found the paint pots when I built the 500 Kawa. All catch bottles had to be fire resistant. New reg at the time.
Told JB when I worked there. Pretty sure he went and charged them to Bob's account.

[husaberg]

however I found some of these at Mums the other day, I am pretty sure they are 1950-60's racing push bike water bottles.


did something similar on the V1000 although I think his were spraypainting pots stolen from Bob Brookland. So its legit big twin tech.

I'd found the paint pots when I built the 500 Kawa. All catch bottles had to be fire resistant. New reg at the time.
Told JB when I worked there. Pretty sure he went and charged them to Bob's account.

He actually brought new ones... wow.
its a neat idea, did you have a pressurised radiator cap on yours as well?
I guess if they were charged to his account i guess i was kind of right lol.....

Below is an Factory Corse from 89 not sure what the other overflow is





unless its the fuel breather like the later doghouse?

[husaberg]

I do enjoy getting courier parcels these days.
This came from one of the planets better humans Andy from Ducatispares
https://www.ducatispares.co.nz/
https://www.facebook.com/Ducatispares.co.nz

The S4 swingarms I different from the ST4 in that its made of aluminium.
Which whilst its lowers the unsprung weight (remember over 50% of a swingarm is unsprung).
This is of course of great importance on a touring bike.
The swingarm is potentially also able to be shined up to a decent gloss. which satisfy the magpie urge to have cool shiny stuff
Hopefully distracting from the poo brown seat on the Dogcati.

Andy being a metzler agent, was also able to order some metzler tires on indent with a pair also for the supermotard for the Burt.
Metzler in my opinion ,offer grippy tiires at decent affordable prices. They wear well while not as well as Michelin do, they are 1/2 the initial price.

[husaberg]

The Dogcati continues.......
Well the Dogcati came with open pipes there in the spares piles are some very heavy and exceedingly fugly OEM heavy oval pipes.
Knowing that all great Ducatis have Contis if they are pre war (Iraq)
or if they are post stone age they have to have Termignoni's


As the budget came up a little short as the Motard needs tires for the Burt as well as full top end rebuild (yes another one)
We have compromise a little to settle for a more budget approach.
The Termignoni's will have to wait, I was going to make my own but these are to cheap to even bother.
they are listed variously as sakrapovic which I assume is a cross between scorpion and akrapovic.
I also brought some pretty cheeky stickers Togo with them.
I am guessing the quality will be a little down on the east European originals. Or the Italian ones I so covert.
they claim to be carbon I feel they might be more carbon steel.


Also seeing as the Ducati 916's are able to do 60MPG at 100 MPG. I have decided I can get rid of the std ugly tank in favour of something more Ducati beautifull.
So from the same country far far east I have brought one of these 10 liters should be ample for a gentleman's tourer.