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    After some googling at lunch I decided to go with a S4r airbox, its ordered and on its way.
    Andy at Ducati spares had one and it will be here before the end of the week.
    this should fit (I hope) if it doesn't well I might have to use a Monster frame.
    early monster frames and st4 are similar to the 851/888 but different with how he subframe the and the steering head are braced. (Plus the rear suspension)
    That said It is a lot better shape and It has a bigger volume more aesthetic shape.
    The filter size goes up from 210mmx210mm to 217mmx278mm so that's abox 25% larger so the box is at least that is not more bigger.
    Plus it doesn't effectively block off the air entry into the Bellmouth with a lip a few mm above.

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    some pics here I want I intend to do plus the pics of the st4 vs S4R airbox


    With the std st4 for instance below the front intake is not even under the air filter as it stops short of there, it has a ledge about 40mm high to the top of the box.
    look below and you will see what I mean.
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    Oh i can already hear the wtf why go to the trouble do this, but anyone familiar with this era Ducatis will know they have shithouse airbox's and like Harleys of the area they used The airbox to control the noise.
    The std intake with the top off is good for 118 with better ex and the cams dialled, but I want 145 HP and 145kg
    I have a early 2001 Husaberg which breathes right next to your nuts ,Intake noise can be intoxicating.
    At this stage I am not sure if I are going to cut the top off and run the std filter or do the snorkels into the side like the 998 or what ever it is in the pics with another cold air intake through the top like a std S4r.
    All i know its bigger , in this but not all cases bigger is better and I have not seen a thread when I searched where someone has done it.
    pics to follow...



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    Having just used a jack and portapak on the Stinger tank to get it to fit the frame again, I'm sure you could just open the frame up a bit to fit the airbox. Have a welding torch and a few bits of water pipeline handy to fill in any gaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Having just used a jack and portapak on the Stinger tank to get it to fit the frame again, I'm sure you could just open the frame up a bit to fit the airbox. Have a welding torch and a few bits of water pipeline handy to fill in any gaps.
    My wolf was one of the best handling bike I ever remember. I remember the tank being tight. But bigger than it looked Where do the coils live? Under there?
    I seen the scissors jack. Inovative....
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    Yes there's a bit of room.
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    The bigger S4R airbox arrived (well at least the lower half anyway.)
    This came from Andy at Ducati spares.
    https://www.ducatispares.co.nz/
    https://www.facebook.com/Ducatispares.co.nz
    IMO he's one of the most decent humans ever, he knows these bikes inside and out snd has so many spares he hasn't got enough time to put them all on the net. He's also an endless source of knowledge on how to improve these bikes and what's worth doing and what's not.




    I can pick up the rest during "Burt week "in a few weeks when I am down that way.
    the S4R set up appears so much better and efficient it's not even funny, it has to be worth at least 0.25hp alone.




    As the ST4 Dogcati was somewhat hacked/chewed about when I got it.
    I never knew how the std headlight bracket worked or what it looked like. As it was not was in in the extensive spares boxes that came with the dogacati.


    I knew it was a complex bracket supporting an ugly headlight especially compared to the 851/888 or monster or 9156 cats eyes.
    but who knew it was an alloy set up actually had a pretty flash air scoop reminiscent of the carbon fiber 888 course scoop
    If I can find a ST2/3/4 headlight surround it looks like I can modify it to do what I want for the dogcati fast tourer.


    Below is the ST2/3/4 headlight scoop bracket set up
    The bottom scoop splits on into two and it seems feeds direct into the trumpets that come out of the std ST4 airbox. (If you are confused so the pics in the post before this. bottom left first attachment)
    I can of course it seems drill a hole to insert these in the S4R airbox (Cool aye)
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    the ST4 scoop might not work but I intend to replicate its setup anyway. I will just augment it with side scoops like a 851.
    Obviously, the headlight and upper support will go as the headlight and standard fairing are some of the ugliest things ever put on a Ducati. (maybe other then Kickaha)
    Is anyone here familiar with the St scoop bracket is it super heavy as it looks like two bolt-together cast alloy pieces?




    I am still looking at doing additional side scoops direct to the airbox like a 999 OW01 ZXR750 999 etc as in the second pic in the post above middle lower layer.
    but I want to combine the st4 set up as well.
    so at this stage I am having side slits like a 851 with a hozozonal slit under like a paso. (or some models of 900ss which used it to feed the oil Cooler (much like a Trident rocket three F750 racer letterbox for Grump )
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    Note the 851 std road going model also, has this slit as its forms part of the headlight surround. I think I have posted pics already. Okay maybe not on this thread.




    We have taken on board Dave's concerns I believe we have came up with a way of mitigating the lack of range, with the smaller fuel capacity.
    More on this later....



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    Trailer it close?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Trailer it close?
    Funny you should suggest that....
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    My son just had to made by a mate , As the we are taking the CBR as well as the Motard to the Burt. Currently One signboard sheet short, plus a few other details Like ply for the ramp, storage for gear and stuff at the front. but close to finished.
    It offers more creature comforts and wind protection than a goldwing fairing. Si it's just the thing for a gentleman's sports tourer.


    As I mentioned re the ST series it as std has Ducati's if not the world world's ugliest headlamp fairing combo. We are doing something different with the fairing as I still want protection from Canterbury's Nor'westers. and I am not a fan of the french inspired 1990's street fighter look.
    this is the std ST series.

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    We intend to do something like this. Mixed with this
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    which is in keeping with Ducatis sporting Past



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    Installed the airbox bottom tray, a couple of differences had to add what looks like a temp probe and there was a mount under their for some some electrical gublin, that now just flaps around with all the other spaghetti.

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    The pics below should illustrate the thought process that lead to the airbox swap.


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    I also went through all the parts and sorted out the chain run. I am definitely going to have to make the alloy tank smallererer.
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    One thing I did find is the rear suspension is comp and rebound adjustable I had never seen the rear reservoir previously.



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    Maybe a periscope to see over the top of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Maybe a periscope to see over the top of it?
    Yeah On reflection I think I measured from the frame rail and not the cylinder head pokey out bits.
    but on these are bike you sit in them rather than perched on them like a modern bike
    Here is the std st4 tank for reference.
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    regardless it will provide the basis for the tank and it was cheaper then buying the sheet and the fittings.
    I was talking to one of the Stainless welder /fabricators at work he seemed keen to help for beer tokens.

    you have to admit though that airbox especially now you can see the bellmouths is kind of cool
    Speaking of which the Ducati airbox securing system is kind of cool.
    On my one the front bolt goes into a rubber bung its probably meant to bolt through from under nead but with a smaller head on the bolt it just slips with a hole.
    The rear two sits on those funny bolt pedestals but it seals through twisting the bellmouths which engages a set of pins and pulls down the bellmouth until it seats the rubber bellow and o-ring under the Bellmouth. which is bloody neat engineering.
    So to remove the whole air box it only takes a few minutes not like my sons CBR600RR with is a hour at least to get near the throttle cable with everything bolts and multiple screws and seals.
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    Yep, the S4R airbox is awesome!
    Try taking the airbox off a DVT 1200 Multistrada and see if you enjoy that experience.
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    I remember riding Diesel Pigs MB100 in RS frame, which encouraged me to rebuild mine. But it had squared off rear of tank and welded flat across. I had bruises for the rest of the week on my inner thighs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    I remember riding Diesel Pigs MB100 in RS frame, which encouraged me to rebuild mine. But it had squared off rear of tank and welded flat across. I had bruises for the rest of the week on my inner thighs.
    I can remember the bike vaughly, how did he get it in with cylinder Reed I thought that was why you went case Reed on the non honda?

    but the Dogcati is definitely having a cover. a curvaceous voluptuous shape at that.
    funny enough I have this but because its essentially irreplaceable. One of about 400 made.
    these is no way I would use it for fast touring.
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    But even if I wanted to now what with the airbox being a few mm wider it will no anyway.
    So I am making a cover based on this shape. Well someone who is great at fibreglass is....
    to be brutally honest I think there is a case for Norton JPS style pannier tanks.
    I could get a full fibreglass tank, but I was standing on this corner, right in front of the bike when this happened, It put me off them for life.



    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Yep, the S4R airbox is awesome!
    Try taking the airbox off a DVT 1200 Multistrada and see if you enjoy that experience.
    Funny old world…
    I hope the mountaineer breaks the mold for you with Ducati adventure bikes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I can remember the bike vaughly, how did he get it in with cylinder Reed I thought that was why you went case Reed on the non honda?

    but the Dogcati is definitely having a cover. a curvaceous voluptuous shape at that.
    funny enough I have one of these but because its essentially irreplaceable. One of about 400 made.

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    these is no way I would use it for fast touring.



    but guess what with the airbox being a few mm wider now it will not fit
    So I am making a cover based on this shape. Well someone who is great at fibreglass is....
    to be brutally honest I think there is a case for Norton JPS style pannier tanks.
    I could get a full fibreglass tank, but I was standing on this corner, right in front of the bike when this happened, It put me off them for life.




    I hope the mountaineer breaks the mold for you with Ducati adventure bikes.
    No, it's a Venture bike. I venture out to the garage to piss about and damge things I should be improving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    No, it's a Venture bike. I venture out to the garage to piss about and damge things I should be improving.



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