The Royal Commission Report

[pritch]

The only reason NZ had a world leading response was because of factors that were outside of the Government control.

That's not really valid. I understand that you'd rather die than say labour done good - but they did. Boris wouldn't stop air travel because of the economic damage. He delayed lockdowns way too long then when he couldn't delay any further the lockdowns had to be much longer. Brits liked to say it was because NZ is basically an island. Britain is basically an island. The difference was that Britain had stupid politicians in power. Remember when there was a new and dangerous variant in India but Boris delayed stopping travel from India because he wanted his scheduled meeting with Modi to take place? While Boris delayed over a hundred thousand potential virus cariers flew in to Britain from India.

[BMWST?]

Labour did do well in the beginning. But as more and more information became available as to where the real risks lay they continued with the complete isolation idea. Only when they knew it was pointless did they relax the rules. Much social and economic damage was done that could reasonably have been avoided with more informed actions.

[TheDemonLord]

That's not really valid. I understand that you'd rather die than say labour done good - but they did. Boris wouldn't stop air travel because of the economic damage. He delayed lockdowns way too long then when he couldn't delay any further the lockdowns had to be much longer. Brits liked to say it was because NZ is basically an island. Britain is basically an island. The difference was that Britain had stupid politicians in power. Remember when there was a new and dangerous variant in India but Boris delayed stopping travel from India because he wanted his scheduled meeting with Modi to take place? While Boris delayed over a hundred thousand potential virus cariers flew in to Britain from India.

Britain has rail links to Europe, you can cross into Britain via a Rubber Dinghy, a bit tricky to cross the Tasman sea in a home-made boat.

Britain also has Mass-Transit systems (like the Underground) and 15 times the population density (287 per square kilometre vs 20 per square kilometre).

If Labour had simply locked the border and done nothing else, I doubt we would have seen any significant changes.

As others have said, the initial response *may* have been justified (I maintain they were not) - the subsequent actions, second Lockdowns, Vaccine Mandates etc. were absolutely not justified - especially when the Data was available that for everyone not over 60 or with co-morbidities - Covid was little more than the Sniffles.

Its one saving grace being that Children were completely unaffected by Covid.

[Grumph]

Its one saving grace being that Children were completely unaffected by Covid.

You've posted that at least twice now. Not true.

Children got covid and according to a quick google, a lot are still suffering long Covid.

But I'm assuming your troll on this point is to make the response that many more are developmentally
slower due to the lockdowns and missed schooling. Which I'll concede.

But - again - without the lockdowns it would have been much worse. Better a term or so behind schedule than dead.
Ask a parent with school age kids....

[onearmedbandit]

But - again - without the lockdowns it would have been much worse. Better a term or so behind schedule than dead.
Ask a parent with school age kids....

All three of my children got covid more than once (and were vaccinated). There was never any threat of them dying from it, but the lock down caused major upheavals in my middle aged child's transition from primary to high school. It took a long time for her to find her feet again. Being a term or so behind in schedule had nothing to do with it. And she, nor any of her siblings or friends, had anything worse than flu like symptoms for a few days.

You said to ask a parent with school age kids, I'm just answering with my own personal experience.

[TheDemonLord]

You've posted that at least twice now. Not true.

Children got covid and according to a quick google, a lot are still suffering long Covid.

Sure, Children got it, however the number that died from it were exceptionally small. The data is a little mixed here - some sources put it 1 in 100,000 for Mortality rate, which is around the same as the Flu.

Now, to be fair, it does seem that for those under 1 years old, there was a higher risk - but School Age children were the least affected demographic when it comes to Covid.

And we have to put higher risk into context - when compared to diseases that historically were highly contagious (Measles, Pox etc.) - we see that those under 10 were some of the highest risk of death.

But I'm assuming your troll on this point is to make the response that many more are developmentally
slower due to the lockdowns and missed schooling. Which I'll concede.

But - again - without the lockdowns it would have been much worse. Better a term or so behind schedule than dead.
Ask a parent with school age kids....

Ask a parent of School Age Kids - okay - I asked my Wife (and I quote): What a fucking load of shit that was.

My experience was almost identical to OABs, my eldest was starting school, had just got settled into class, when the first Lockdown happened - It wasnt just setting back a term, it was pretty much set back a whole year.

To catch her up with school, I have had to pay for private tutoring (which is not cheap, I can assure you).

[SaferRides]

Some things were done well, some badly and being NZ, we muddled through somehow.
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[Berries]

My experience was almost identical to OABs, my eldest was starting school, had just got settled into class, when the first Lockdown happened - It wasnt just setting back a term, it was pretty much set back a whole year.

It?

Don't you like your eldest?

[TheDemonLord]

It?

Don't you like your eldest?

Hahahaha - It wasn't referring to my Kid in that context.

But to be honest, it is a struggle sometimes...

They take after their father faaaar too much for my liking... always arguing and think they know everything...

[Katman]

I dont give a fuck about those selfish cunts. And usually they were people who would live through it, unfortunately. The thing that got to me was the fact they gave precisely zero fucks about anyone else - in particular to those who were vulnerable by age (babies, children, or elderly) or other infirmity.

You do realise that the vaccine did nothing to stop transmission, don't you?