A real statement

[Kb2020dope]

you're forcing your fantasies on others, fairs fair for a contra

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

[Kb2020dope]

Yeah, Nah

Threre's already more than enough bigotry and hatred in my life

Don't need yours, and that of your so-called church, as well

Fuck Off, Creep

Hey bud,

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to get through the hatred and your problems.

A good first step could be coming to church on Sunday. If not I sincerely wish you all the best.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

There's no hate like christian love.

I typed out a long rant then deleted without posting. I really try not to engage with these fucktards because its a no win scenario.

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Katman]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

So where did you guys stand on the requirement of holding a vaccine passport in order to attend your church?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Look champ,

We are clear and open about our beliefs, which are based on traditional Christian values.
Our church environment is intentionally structured around these values and may not align with the beliefs or lifestyles of the wider rainbow community.

Thank you for your understanding.

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

[Kb2020dope]

Are they the "traditional christian values" such as loving thy neighbour, being a good samaritan, removing the money lenders from the temple, that sort of thing?

Or more the murdering a bunch of kids because they laughed at a bald man? Or oppressing the womenfolk, treating them as property? Perhaps the hate for "others" - rainbow community, people equally deluded but just a different flavour of delusion?

I like your use of the word "champ". I am a champion. At rage bating hypocrites.

Look bud,

We do a lot of great work in the community. Hate us or love us you can not deny that we have helped thousands of kiwis out!

Here's a question for you. When was the last time you helped out a stranger in need? Or at least sat down and listened to their story?

What I want you to do is think of your answer, keep it to yourself and reflect. Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

If your community happens to be the rainbow community then good on you and our church is not for your kind.

All the best.

[TheDemonLord]

Ask yourself if you could do more for your community.

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.

[jellywrestler]

If density church is so inclusive how about I bring my gay friend, our trans friend, the vegans and vegetarians and the poor to one of their enclaves?

do they have enough parking for all those Spyders outside?

[R650R]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

[sugilite:Me]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...eptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?

I'm gonna bite on this.

A superb post, thank you for sharing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is there anywhere in world without religion that is doing fine for itself???

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

[Katman]

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

For a lawyer you come across as incredibly mentally unbalanced.

[Kickaha]

Irrelevant.
Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Bender had the right idea

[R650R]

Irrelevant.

Is there anywhere where is is rife that is doing "well".

Clearly not. Ergo, it is bad.

My stated position is that professing religious belief is a signifier of mental illness sufficient to disqualify the "professor" from public office, from receiving any form of public money for any purpose, from receiving a licence to procreate, from buying houses (particularly near mine), from bothering sensible people with their bullshit. Stamp that shit out in this generation.

Isaac Newton: A foundational figure in physics and calculus, deeply religious and believed his scientific work illuminated God's creation.
Galileo Galilei: An astronomer and physicist who, despite conflicts with the Church, remained devout and saw science as revealing God's work.
Johannes Kepler: An astronomer known for his laws of planetary motion, who also held strong religious convictions.
Blaise Pascal: A mathematician and physicist who developed Pascal's principle and made significant contributions to probability theory, while also being a devout Christian philosopher.
Michael Faraday: A chemist and physicist credited with the discovery of electromagnetic induction, who believed in the order of God's creation.
Francis Collins: A former Director of the National Institutes of Health, a geneticist, and a devout Christian.
John Polkinghorne: A theoretical physicist and priest who became a leading voice in science and religion.

[R650R]

Statistical analysis of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 65.4% of Nobel laureates were Christians, over 20% were Jewish, and 10.5% were atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers.[10] According to a study that was done by University of Nebraska–Lincoln in 1998, 60% of Nobel prize laureates in physics from 1901 to 1990 had a Christian background.[11] Since 1901–2013, 22% of all Nobel prizes have been awarded to Jews.[12]