A real statement

[pete376403]

Hey bud,

We are not forcing anything. We are simply standing up for what we believe in and the values this beautiful country was built on.

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

[pritch]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

[bad'rule]

Hey bud,

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to get through the hatred and your problems.

A good first step could be coming to church on Sunday. If not I sincerely wish you all the best.

Thanks

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[Kb2020dope]

I'm gonna bite on this.

Now - before I do, I want to add two bits of preface - firstly that most people *could* do more for their community (myself included), but secondly - I volunteer at a national youth organization and I sit on the fundraising committee for my local school. Not tooting my own horn - but just saying (as this may come as a shock to some people) - I am active in my local community.

When Christians do things for the Community - is it purely out of altruism? Or is there often an Ulterior Motive? To be fair to Christianity, I have seen them do a lot of good work in the Community. But if we are being fair, often there is a string attached:

"Oh yes, come and enjoy free daycare for your Children! We are just looking to support struggling parents! Just don't worry about the fact we use the time to preach to impressionable 4 year olds"

Or

"Yes, we can help you with your addiction, we have counselling services, group sessions etc. etc. But if you want to get better, you really need to accept Jesus into your heart"

So I ask you - for everything that you say you do in the community - how much of it has been purely out of genuine Christian Love for your fellow Man and how much has it been using a situation where someone is extremely vulnerable in order to push a particular message?

I will grant you that the former is not 0%, that some is done out of genuine kindness. In return, however, you must agree that the latter is not zero either.

FWIW I spent my entire youth around Christianity and Churches and congregations. Most people went because it was Habitual, there were some recent converts, some I suspect (in hindsight) were on a spectrum of one or another and it was one of the few places where it was easy for them to fit in, most were not bad people. But the ones that I consider to demonstrate true, genuine Christian Love (of the type that is shown in the more favourable parts of the Bible) - in nearly 2 decades, I can remember just enough to count on both hands.

That includes multiple countries, multiple congregations, multiple denominations etc.

Therefore when you raise 'How much good you have done' - You will forgive me if I scoff a little.

As for myself? Well, Ironically, I disagree with some of the positions of the Organization I volunteer with, quite substantially so. However, when I put my uniform on and am a Leader - what my opinions are on a given subject are irrelevant. I am there to teach and lead. Very occassionally I will ask pointed questions on a topic: partly to show that for some issues there are different view points - but mostly so that the youth I lead are able to better form their opinions by coming up with rebuttals.

I say this to say that to highlight the difference - When I volunteer to help, I do so at the expense of my own ideals, rather than from a position to try and further them.

First of all, well done. The world needs more thoughtful individuals like yourself.

I canÂ’t speak on behalf of every Christian or church organisation, but I will say this: there are good Christians, bad Christians, misguided ones, and unfortunately, some who are driven by greed. That said, I genuinely believe the majority are well-meaning and kind-hearted. I also believe Brian and Destiny Church fall into that category.

I lead a simple life, I go to work, pay my taxes, attend church, and maintain a personal relationship with God. IÂ’m not heavily involved in the services the church offers, so I can't speak in detail about those.

In my own time, I try to give back to the community by connecting with the homeless, helping them write CVs, find courses, and secure employment through the network I have in my line of work.

YouÂ’ve raised some fair points. It's refreshing to come across someone willing to think for themselves rather than blindly accepting everything reported by mainstream media outlets like RNZ.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

Did you believe that before destiny or only since brian convinced you that was what you believe in?

Hi Peter,

I believed this well before I was a part of Destiny. However it really did hit home how woke this world had become over the covid years.

Thanks

[Kb2020dope]

I would view an angry mob descending on a library, then going on to break their way into a room where people were trying to get away from the violence is the living embodiment of the term "forceful".


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...eptable-police
"The event on Saturday was part of Auckland's pride festival, but was cancelled after about 50 protesters pushed their way into Te Atatū library and refused to leave.

About 30 adults and young children were forced to lock themselves in a room. The family event featured a Drag King talking to the kids about the science of rainbows."

Kb2020dope - It is very hard to imagine Jesus taking this approach.
Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?


A superb post, thank you for sharing.

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.

Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.

In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.

If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!

[pritch]

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.

LOL. Thanks but I'll stick with the MSM if that's the alternative.

[sugilite:Me]

Mate,

I genuinely feel for you. It’s unfortunate that so many people take everything the mainstream media reports at face value, without questioning or seeking context.

There is no need to feel sorry for me mate. What part of the article do you maintain is inaccurate and or fails to add context?

Let me put it simply: there are always two sides to every story.

Agreed, there always is.

In this case, the media is portraying the situation as a group of "dangerous Māori and Pacific Island men" forcefully entering a library filled with children. But what’s really happening in that image is something quite different.

Nowhere in that article does it mention race of any kind. Search your heart, why did you feel the need to introduce this dishonest misdirection into your post?

What you're seeing is a group of fathers, uncles, grandfathers, and other concerned community members standing up to protect children. They are responding to an inappropriate situation. A man, presenting as a woman and struggling with mental health issues, attempting to share ideological beliefs with young children.

OK, quite a lot to unpack here - What do you think was more traumatic and harmful to the children attending the event. A man dressed as a woman explaining the science of rainbows, or a large group of men, some wearing patches, yelling screaming and physically jostling with people, then the same mob breaking into a room where the children were trying to escape what to them would of been an incredibly scary situation? Can you please point to a story in the bible where Jesus took a similar course of action?

If you believe it’s appropriate to teach young children about sex and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

Unfortunately, due to children having such easy access to pornography, I do feel kids need at least a modicum of education earlier than in the past. Trans have always existed, so to a degree, it is normal, no matter how much you may personally disagree with their lifestyle. I find no problem with one explaining the science of a rainbow. However, I do not feel they have a right to meter out sex education to children either.

Give yourself an upper cut, pull your bloody head in and man up!

So because I do not agree with your particular brand of ideology, you wish me to self harm myself, quit verbalizing my opinion, and only by following your predetermined path can I possibly hope to become a man? Interesting.

Something else I find curious - all these Destiny Church "Man Up" types only seem to gang up on trans - apparently all in the name of "child safety". So how come we have not seen Destiny Church organize events against other churches like the Roman Catholic church that have demonstrably hurt thousands upon thousands of children through pedophilia and so on?

Also curious, you missed responding to the most important question I asked you in my post.
"Which Christian words and values are more important to you - Jesus, or Brians?" Because from where I stand, Brians take on Christianity seems to remove a bunch of Christs teachings in order to allow the "man up" division of destiny church act akin a paramilitary arm.

[jellywrestler]

and to promote the idea that it’s normal for boys to dress as girls and girls as boys then you are part of the problem.

there's quite a few islanders in your gang, how to they hide the beatings they give to their own Faʻafafine's?