Crashes on rides.

[Deano]

if someone is posting accurate details cos they were there then I have no problem with that.

And therein lies the problem - are the details always accurate ?

I think the last thing on my families and loved ones mind is gonna be how or where they heard it, their concerns will lie with my condition.

Having all the facts, and support when they hear the news in my opinion is very important.

[madboy]

Cops may not release personal details but the press sure as fuck report on it.

The press may report the accident, but they don't report the personal details until the police have informed next of kin. That's the real crux of the matter.

Having ridden with WT, Deano, Jim2 et al I appreciate that their comments are out of concern for their loved ones. I don't think anybody cares that our bins get posted - it's just when, where and how! We want our loved ones to find out from someone knocking on their door, or at least a phone call. Not an internet forum.

RESPECT. That's all that is being asked.

Outside of this forum I know neither Yoshi or DSS3, nor Cibby or her pics, so I'm not getting into those debates.

[Biff]

My 2c.

Logging onto a PC, coming to this site, and talking about someone else, about their personal circumstances/accidents/tragedies etc, without their consent, is gossiping IMO. Unless you've been asked to do so by the injured biker themselves or their respecitve family.

I'd never want anyone reporting any bin that I (hope to never) have here without my prior approval. Members of my family also view this site. I'd want to make up my own decision whether or not they read about it here, and I'd appreciate it that should I die in a serious bike accident someday you'll all have the common courtesy to ask me first before telling everyone.

Respect?

But if we're talking about any specific action of a fellow KBer here, and their reporting of a fellow KBers bin, I don't know anything about it. Honest coughicer.

[Vagabond]

I have observed on KB during my time here that there is a major difference of opinion between those who were actually present at the scene of the mishap and those who were not! I can recall several bin threads on here where scraps occured between members because one person is describing the facts while the other is hypothesising about what may or may not have happened!

During a number of the KB rides I have been on where there has been a bin and it has been reported on the site soon after, the ones who were on the ride generally have more knowledge and sympathy about what happened and therefore are more understanding, but those who were not there somehow make it their business to think that they have the right to lay blame or make critical comments about ANYTHING, which usually just causes a stir (like in Yoshi's thread about Dss3), when they should just shut their mouths and only post encouraging words on the public forum and send a private message otherwise!

Personally, if I was going to start a thread about someone's crash I would get consent from the rider if possible, but sometimes circumstances don't allow it. So I'd probably use a certain tone of language that makes people understand that the main reason I am posting about it is for genuine reasons of concern to all involved. I can only speak for myself though, and if someone else, like Yoshi, starts a bin thread and isn't as 'tactful' as I may be with words I either PM him or just add my 2 cents of encouragment...in saying that, I WAS THERE at Puke yesterday and spoke with all the KBers and saw they were having a great time of it, when I came home last evening and read Yoshi's thread about Daryl's bin I was gutted but truely appreciated the post and took the sense of how it was intended - genuine concern from someone who was there first hand to tell the story!

I for one have binned whilst on a KB run and was carted off by ambulance, luckily for me I only shattered a vertabra and was consious and coherant and also in contact with Death INC via texting so he had my consent to post seeing as he had organised the ride in the first place.

As far as I can remember there were only well wishes and concern expressed on the posts, in saying that had I been unconscious and was in a grave condition then I'd expect family to be notified first, in saying that I also recall my family being notified whilst waiting for the ambo to arrive.

With KB having grown so fast I also see a lot of SHITE being posted all the time and only post when I get a 'sudden urge!'

[Drunken Monkey]

I wasn't saying it to cause trouble, but there have been instances of snarky comments with underlying tones flung about on occasion.

I'd have to agree with Sniper on that one, Zed. I was involved in one specific incidence where a rider binned on a ride. It was quite minor, but did require the bike to be left behind and the rider taken home by other means. The rest of the riders in that group made no comment about it what-so-ever = Jimmy's unwritten rule, so to speak. However, once the rider who binned let on they had, we (the other riders) were accused of a 'cover-up'.
There were all sorts of comments from people who weren't on the ride, throwing their two cents in, quite frankly, where it wasn't wanted, appreciated or required. Whilst they were not taking the piss or gloating, there were several 'snarky' comments, mostly from people who were not involved in the ride.

[jrandom]

see a lot of SHITE being posted all the time and only post when I get a 'sudden urge!'

me, I like to wait until its good and ready, then post while reading a newspaper.

[WINJA]

what? me an winja the most peaceful people on the site, its the rest of you cunts that wanna casue trouble, BASTARDS!

TIS TRUE , AND I JUST CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT

[dss3]

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

[justsomeguy]

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

Hey he's back (that was quick) - how's it mate.

Nice little shit storm been going on since you left:spudguita

[Phenoix]

When I binned, I was asked first if i wanted the pictures up.
If its on a ride, most people would like to know the "status" of the rider.
That a saw, there wern't any thread on why I came off (Tho I will freely say it was lack of experance and my own fault) but there was just follow up saying Im ok ect.
If the family ask the pics not to be post, observe that respect

[Teflon]

I agree with white trash.

If i crash, the last thing i would want is it broadcasted over the net, just isn't right.

[White trash]

Nice little shit storm been going on since you left:spudguita

In a teacup.

[mikey]

One simple rule to follow in life: If you can't express an opposing opinion without descending into obscenity or character assasination then just shut up.

This isn't some anonymous globe-spanning website. A lot of us have ridden with a lot of the members on this site, so trying to develop respectful personal relationships isn't quite the "wank" a couple of people seem to think it is.

We do NOT live in a world of free speech. The only place on the planet that can lay claim to that particular "right" is the US. Practically everywhere else on the planet has no problem plundering an Internet site to build a case against some poor bastard who's fallen off his bike, especially if pictures were taken, without his/her knowledge or consent.

This is a publicly avaialble forum. I've been on a ride where a guy got loaded into an ambulance in a lucid state, and left the hospital in a pine box. If this site had been around then, I am sure that there would have been posts saying he was OK around about the time he died.

WT is asking for nothing more than a little tiny, weeny bit of respect of personal privacy.

Have you "me generation" types not cottoned on to the fact that it isn't all about you yet?

right on there JIMtoodolesa,

kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect. its what makes it KB. home of knockbacks. an bull shitb talking

crash stories are fine for THE PERSON WHO CRASHED TO TELL, if you live. which of course i will caseu im peter pan an tinkers lookin out for me. but when somethign is serious........ as hard as it is, best not to start a speculating on the net when you dont no jack shit. burned it up myself doing that.

an mysterioYOSHIblack gay ole suzuki rider, you keep a note book of who goes on rides? well, i must say. jolly good of you chap. id hope i was slightly important enough to be remembered if i some how dissapperaed off the face of the earth or side of the takas. an people would come back looking. but maybe being old an to much drugs fucks your memory. each ot there own bong i guees.

o, sorry about the grammar an the spellign an the other improper use of the english diction but if i had time to worry about things like speeling an diction id be a terrorist.

[White trash]

right on there JIMtoodolesa,

kiwibiker is .....*incomprehensible shit*.......the spellign an the other improper use of the english diction but if i had time to worry about things like speeling an diction id be a terrorist.

Been a few nights now without sleep sonny?

And to think, I wanted to kick the shit out of you less than twelve months ago, what the hell was I thinking?

[Zed]

I'd have to agree with Sniper on that one, Zed. I was involved in one specific incidence where a rider binned on a ride. It was quite minor, but did require the bike to be left behind and the rider taken home by other means. The rest of the riders in that group made no comment about it what-so-ever = Jimmy's unwritten rule, so to speak. However, once the rider who binned let on they had, we (the other riders) were accused of a 'cover-up'.
There were all sorts of comments from people who weren't on the ride, throwing their two cents in, quite frankly, where it wasn't wanted, appreciated or required. Whilst they were not taking the piss or gloating, there were several 'snarky' comments, mostly from people who were not involved in the ride.

Hmmm was that the ride I was on too DM? Hey Mr Post Van? If so, I'm sorry to hear about these coverup accusations that I wasn't privy to. I guess Mr Sniper is right to a point, but at the time of reading his post he tweaked a nerve in me...sorry Sniper.:spudwave: I momentarily forgot that people are sinners!