offensive genuine parts prices

**Brian d marge** · 16th November 2005, 14:15

Originally Posted by kerryg

Stephen

Mate, take a deep breath, I intended no offence, just taking the piss . Sorry if it got up your nose though...but perhaps you're being just a tad over-sensitive?

As for Vifferman giving you stick about your punctuation, he can speak for himself but I didn't see anything more than good-natured mickey-taking going on there...

And mine was a good natured reply .................................................. ......................Weeeeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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No offence taken at all .......

**kerryg** · 16th November 2005, 15:04

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

And mine was a good natured reply .................................................. ......................Weeeeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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No offence taken at all .......

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**miSTa** · 16th November 2005, 20:16

Back in May I priced a new set of camshafts and rocker arms (Kawasaki needs to get their act together when it comes to camshafts but that's another story) - $4500. I also got some prices from the USA and for $200 less than I was quoted here I could fly to the US and pick the required parts. Now that's stupid.

More recently I rebuilt my front brakes - $200 for 16 seals/o-rings. Still too expensive but given that it's the front brakes I'm happy to have them top notch.

**figjam** · 18th November 2005, 08:53

Top cowling (nose cone) for the ZX-12:

Locally: around $2800
U.S.: between $377 and $483 (U.S. dollars) depending on where I buy it from.

O.K. so I will have to pay G.S.T. and freight, but tell me that's not a rip off.

**verticalkd** · 22nd November 2005, 04:47

hey guyz, if you need parts for yamaha, suzuki, aprilia, kawa and honda sports bikes, just email to me at verticalkd@yahoo.com.sg. i have no problem getting parts for my mc21 in singapore. same for my peers with the r1 and gixxers. if you need my help, just let me know. i acquire parts often from the dealers here.

verticalkd

**figjam** · 22nd November 2005, 09:38

Originally Posted by ZZR

Back in May I priced a new set of camshafts and rocker arms (Kawasaki needs to get their act together when it comes to camshafts but that's another story)

You're not kidding. I recently had to do the same for my ZZR250. I was quoted $449 each for the two cams and $108 each for the eight arms. I ended up sourcing second hand parts.

I'm starting to think Kawasaki have a real problem with soft cams. That's the second set to lose the hardening on the 250 (they seem to wear out at between 60 & 80k). There was also a problem with pitted cams at ridiculously low mileage on the early ZZR1200s. At least I know the cams are OK on the ZX-12R as of about 75k.

**R1madness** · 22nd November 2005, 10:35

Originally Posted by figjam

You're not kidding. I recently had to do the same for my ZZR250. I was quoted $449 each for the two cams and $108 each for the eight arms. I ended up sourcing second hand parts.

I'm starting to think Kawasaki have a real problem with soft cams. That's the second set to lose the hardening on the 250 (they seem to wear out at between 60 & 80k). There was also a problem with pitted cams at ridiculously low mileage on the early ZZR1200s. At least I know the cams are OK on the ZX-12R as of about 75k.

Its been a problem for years

. It started back in 1986 with the GPX750 (Yep i had one and it did it so did a mates both under 15000k). The real cure is (in our experiance) to run ONLY FULL SYNTHETIC MOTORCYCLE OIL

. We both did after replacing the cams and i know my old one is still running full synthetic and has 97000k and still running strong. Any brand you like is fine and you need to change it often (like 7500Km) and do the filter every time as well.

GRrrrrrr you would have thought they had it sorted by now but i dont want to buy a ZX10 only to have it happen to it. ZX10 riders out there has this been a problem?

**Yokai** · 22nd November 2005, 10:45

I'd like to say that it is quality that counts, but my bike is so Frickin rare here that I have to buy the genuine parts... and Bloody hell is it costly... It actually saved me money to have the barrel of my petrol cap changed rather than get a new one...

Like I always say - anyone with cheap SRV250 parts or a direct line to a supplier in Japan that talks in English is my mate for life.

**miSTa** · 22nd November 2005, 19:32

Originally Posted by R1madness

Its been a problem for years

. It started back in 1986 with the GPX750 (Yep i had one and it did it so did a mates both under 15000k). The real cure is (in our experiance) to run ONLY FULL SYNTHETIC MOTORCYCLE OIL

. We both did after replacing the cams and i know my old one is still running full synthetic and has 97000k and still running strong. Any brand you like is fine and you need to change it often (like 7500Km) and do the filter every time as well.

GRrrrrrr you would have thought they had it sorted by now but i dont want to buy a ZX10 only to have it happen to it. ZX10 riders out there has this been a problem?

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.

**Brian d marge** · 23rd November 2005, 00:18

Originally Posted by ZZR

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.

Without the material of the cams at hand I am assuming they are chilled cast Iron, Cams suffer from differing types of Lubrication , from Hydrodynamic at the bearing face , to Boundry lubed at the nose of the cam, IF the wear on the cam was at the highest stressed point ie the nose then it would be boundry lubed, this means that the chemicals in the oil are doing the load carrying , ie the zinc or what ever they are using, The next load characteristic is Hertian contact ,,ie a load is placed on the same spot repeatedly, this causes the Softer material underneath to yield ( not 100 pecent about this as it goes complex real quick !!!) and you get pitting .

The comment about Semi synthetic may be down to the fact that you dont need the higher specs of a fully synthetic.? ( have heard of Pbs before and from what I hear , seems to know one end of a bike from another ,,,)

My guess is from reading the posts is that the seat pressures may have increased OR more likely the frequency of the loading ( not sure of the Rpm of the ZZR )

If there are any photos of the ZZR 250 cams that have failed i WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE!

BTw for wear in components look up tribology !! thats the tech term for wear

Stephen
Sorry for the hijacking !!!

**TwoSeven** · 23rd November 2005, 10:22

Many models of ducati are notorious for worn cams (rockers) its because of the poor oil flow design some of the bikes have. End result is that a few bits that need oil, dont actually get any until a couple of minuites after the bike has been fired up.

The fix as I understand it is to use a heavy weight oil such as a 20/50 or similar such produce. It leaves a coating of old oil on the parts after the bike has stopped running, so its not stressed the next time its started.

Perhaps the ZZR has a similar problem with bad oil flow design. Otherwise its sounding more like crappy materials.

I really dont have a problem with hondas pricing of their parts. They can be expensive, but while rebuilding my old machine, i've learned quite a bit about why some of them are so expensive and why some are so cheap.

**miSTa** · 23rd November 2005, 15:57

Originally Posted by TwoSeven

Perhaps the ZZR has a similar problem with bad oil flow design.

Some of the early 1100's have a oil supply to #3 rod but otherwise nothing.

I know of someone in Auckland with a ZZR1200, think he had 20k on it when the camshafts were replaced under warranty. Dealer serviced as well.

Don't know, some do, some don't, but I'm inclined to say that it's a manufacturing fault.

**Paul in NZ** · 23rd November 2005, 16:08

Originally Posted by ZZR

Some of the early 1100's have a oil supply to #3 rod but otherwise nothing.

I know of someone in Auckland with a ZZR1200, think he had 20k on it when the camshafts were replaced under warranty. Dealer serviced as well.

Don't know, some do, some don't, but I'm inclined to say that it's a manufacturing fault.

Jeeze... Maybe I'll stick with my guzzi after all....

**R1madness** · 24th November 2005, 08:35

Originally Posted by ZZR

I don't know about that, I got my cams and rockers arms reground/resurfaced by Kelfords and was basically not that the cams are actually too hard and therfore brittle and not use full synthetic but semi-synthetic. Nick at PBS said to only use semi as well. At the end of the day buggered if I know, researching the problem on the web is also inconclusive.

Yep fair enough. I just think that the extra cost for full synthetic can be justified if it can possibly help, and on bikes with known wear problems it is worth the extra. Just my opinion but it is based on over 20 years mechaninal experiance. Does Nick stock a full synthetic? I know several shops do not stock it because of the price and then when someone asks spacificly for it they say na mate you dont need that a semi will be fine

. Now i am not saying this is the case with Nick as i have respect for his mechanical abilitys

but i suggest if your bike needs it or it is specified by the manufacturer you should spend the cash.......
oil oil oil ask 100 mechanics and you will get 100 different answers

**k14** · 24th November 2005, 09:56

Talk about ripoff's, although I guess HRC can justify it seeing as the market is so small. $55 for a little rubber connection from my expansion chamber to the silencer for my RS. Its about 20mm in diameter and about 25mm long. Apparantly they used to cost about $70. Should have got a rubber bush and drilled it out.

Found a good site that stocks HRC parts from japan for about 40% or less of the cost over here, www.tsrworldwide.co.jp I think is the site.