New 'road safety' adverts

[Motoracer]

Here is an interesting stat from the LTSA website - it states in black and white that speeding contributes to 30 (yes only 30) deaths per year (HERE)

Why all the fuss then?? More people get killed in home invasions/abduction/assaults etc - yet the police force is soooo inundated with traffic issues these go largely by the by - for what - to get 30 deaths down to 29, or 28.

So out of 400 deaths on the road (which is still a bloody low number) - they gave decided to focus on speeding because it is the majority incident? Hold on - it makes up 12.5% of the road toll - doesn't make sense to me.

It also is a contributing factor in only 15% of injuries??

Sorry to correct you there Wkid but on that site, it says 30% of the road deaths are contributed by speed. Not 30 deaths. Still a lot lower than what I had expected...

[wkid_one]

Whoopsthats what I meant.....too much Friday afternooon beverages I guess

[Deano]

Anyway, its not speed that kills, its stopping...

[Jackrat]

They don't have any speed limits in Waiuku yet do they? I thought it was still horse & cart transportation there...apart from the odd hoon on 2 wheels!

Errrr,Don't you mean old hoon on two wheels
Gee,I havn't been called a hoon in years,,Thanks

[Motu]

Fully - I heard that when a mechanic does their initial Accreditation, in order to carry out WOF checks and issue them, they spend about 2 hours going over a vehicle in front of the LTSA Officer........how long do they spend when actually doing the checks...30 minutes max.

Its all a facade. The mechanic who WOF'ed my old Duke didn't even look at the frame or swingarm for cracks, which was a common problem I thought he would have known about (this place does all the dukes for the local franchise).

He then asked if the braided brake lines were standard - I did a double take and said no

Im sure if I said yes he would have accepted my word for it. A quick nip around the block, lights etc, wheel bearings and it was all over in 10 minutes.

What a rort.

Yep - I'm having my ''revue'' in a couple of weeks...the LTSA dude will spend about 5hrs with me - at $145 per hour,paid up front please.I will be tested on a car with him watching,and yes,it will take me at least 2 hrs to do the WoF test,hope he doesn't want to see me do a bike as well...that would take another $145!

To do it ''by the book'' yes,it would take at least 2 hrs for a car and 1hr for a bike - and yet LTSA tells us we should be able to do a car WoF in 20mins! So,um,yes...we ''miss'' a few things OK?

Oh,you would like a more complete check? no problem....but would you pay for it?

[wkid_one]

Still $30 for 20 mins work is a good hourly rate

Watching SCU last nite - that Prelude that killed the car in the Primera should have NEVER have been on the road. It was obviously a cut and tuck car.

[Two Smoker]

Still $30 for 20 mins work is a good hourly rate

Watching SCU last nite - that Prelude that killed the car in the Primera should have NEVER have been on the road. It was obviously a cut and tuck car.

Sure was and what was up with the 50psi in the tyres on one side? Maybe there needs to be a crack down on cars and bikes that are obviously not up to warrant of fitness standard. Im sure those death traps kill people because of inadequite handling and braking, add a bit of speed mixed together with poor driving or riding skills. As everyone has been saying. It isnt the speed that is killing, it is the poor driving skills and standard of cars.

[wkid_one]

I know - bloody high reading considering most manu reco 32psi.

[Deano]

Yep - I'm having my ''revue'' in a couple of weeks...the LTSA dude will spend about 5hrs with me - at $145 per hour,paid up front please.I will be tested on a car with him watching,and yes,it will take me at least 2 hrs to do the WoF test,hope he doesn't want to see me do a bike as well...that would take another $145!

To do it ''by the book'' yes,it would take at least 2 hrs for a car and 1hr for a bike - and yet LTSA tells us we should be able to do a car WoF in 20mins! So,um,yes...we ''miss'' a few things OK?

Oh,you would like a more complete check? no problem....but would you pay for it?

Motu,

my beef is more with LTSA beuraucrats than mechanics, but I didn't appreciate the stuff around I got from by VINZ at a WOF check for my 'old' duke. As I said, my braided brake lines met the Road Traffic Regulations 1976 (Dot something or other), but the mechanic said to prove it, so I had to get faxes from the suppliers. The new (at the time) WOF guidelines were ambiguous, and I guess he was covering his arse. The new braided lines were put on to prevent brake fade at Manfeild and had worked a treat for months. The fittings were already preassembled from the supplier, as I understand that the LTSA concern was the type of braided lines that you crimped yourself (some ruptured).

I would hope that the "few things missed" you mention are only minor, as I would expect a lot of people rely on WOF's as a measure of the standard of roadworthiness of the vehicle, but I prefer to do most of my maintenance (or mechanic mate) anyway.

Good luck with the revue, the fees charged by the LTSA are a rort, but I see that all the time in my line of work as well (govenment agency also).

Here is an anomoly - How come Transit can accept money for billboard advertising, yet LTSA say that crosses, and some other assorted signage are distracting to drivers - in fact the billboards used to advertise alcohol - not sure if they still do, will check next time Im out.

Its a great world that we live in.

[wkid_one]

THis has further reaching implications in the event of an accident. If you car is deemed to be outside warrantable standard when it has an accident - your insurance company can choose not to pay out. Now - I would see you would have trouble convincing a court of law that the defect was infact missed by the 2 hr check condensed in to 20 mins completed at your regular warrant - where in actual fact it could have been missed/omitted/over looked.

[Deano]

Did that Honda Prelude from SCU have a WOF ? Imagine if the front hadn't of sheared off -the impact would have been harder right ?

[wkid_one]

Yep - scary thought as there was much left of either car anyway.

Did they ever say what speed they estimated he was doing?

Deano - you got the Red and Black SP yeah? Were you at Kapiti Lights the other week?

[Two Smoker]

Did that Honda Prelude from SCU have a WOF ? Imagine if the front hadn't of sheared off -the impact would have been harder right ?

Yep that car probably didnt have a WOF. If the front of thar car hadn't been sheared off the impact will still have been the same just the result of where the engine is in relation to the car would be different.

Im sure if the car was up to WOF standards the likelihood of the crash happeneing would have been lower. But a licenced driver with decent training also would have reduced the chances of the crash.

The problem is there is so many variables, but the main variables that contribute are the environment, the car WOF and the Driver skill.

Therefore a to solve it, Roads would have to be improved (especially in known bad spots), Warrant Checks should be done at the same time as breath testing as well as a harder crack down on WOF's (ie police pulling over dodgy vehicles) and a harder Driver Licencing Proceedure should be put inforce as well as a sort of Re-licencing proceedure every so often

Sorry that was a bit more than 5 cents worth... more like $1.30's worth

[Two Smoker]

Oh the estimated speed was 110kmh at the point of impact (of ther prelude). and assuming the other car was doing 70kmh thats a closing speed of 180kmh

Who would want to hit a brick wall at 180kmh

[Deano]

Therefore a to solve it, Roads would have to be improved (especially in known bad spots),

That sux, look at Kaitoke - straightening the roads takes all the fun away - unless you like straight roads of course haha