New 'road safety' adverts

[marty]

Sorry to correct you there Wkid but on that site, it says 30% of the road deaths are contributed by speed. Not 30 deaths. Still a lot lower than what I had expected...

i think there was 57 homicides in NZ last year. there were many more than 57 deaths that could be attributed to speed.

[Lou Girardin]

TRRL in the UK have done REAL research that showed 7.3% of fatalities were directly attributable to excess speed.
Lou

[Motu]

I think you guys are missing the whole point with a WoF - It's not FOR 6 months - we are checking the condition of the vehicle from the last test until NOW ,this very moment that we are testing the vehicle,once the vehicle leaves our premises it is YOUR responsability to KEEP it up to WoF standards.It is a visual inspection only ,we don't put on our Xray glasses,no invasive proceedures are employed - and it is up to YOU to prove us wrong if we question something about your vehicle...if I suspect your braided brake lines are not manufactured in acordance to blah,blah,blah...then you supply the proof - or pay me for my time to find out for you.The things we miss are mainly just standards markings on seatbelts,glazing,lamps tyres etc,but yeah there's a whole heap of stuff we can't look at....it called experiance,our call whether we look closer or ignore - I think it's like being a detective....sniff,sniff...AH HA!!! GOTCHA!!!!

$30 an hr?...that'd be nice,a hell of a lot of costs go into a Wof,not many recovered,we do them at a loss and just hope we pick up some work - the cheaper the Wof test the less likely you are to pass,they use the cheap price to get you in.

[SPman]

TRRL in the UK have done REAL research that showed 7.3% of fatalities were directly attributable to excess speed.
Lou

Part of the problem, is that there is no REAL, impartial, research done into the whole road accident, cause/effect thing , in NZ. A few partial studies to justify points of view!

I believe Mercedes Benz has a specialist unit that investigates the cause of every serious crash involving an M B in Europe. They spend more on research into cause than most countries - but its all mainly in-house.

[Milky]

Based on your replies, i take it that you do WoF inspections motu... Do u have a quota system or unwritten rule that says you have to fail a certain percentage of people who get checks done?

It is just that with remarkably similar problems i have seen cars driven by young 'uns such as myself fail, whereas the cars/bikes taken in by 'respectable' people, such as cops, mechanics, car fanatics etc pass without a second thought.

And since when did the age of the car determine how much rain must be removed from the window??? i had a mate fail on the high speed window wipers for his galant, but on our old Vauxhall we didnt have dual speed wipers and never failed on them not being there

~milky

[Jackrat]

Based on your replies, i take it that you do WoF inspections motu... Do u have a quota system or unwritten rule that says you have to fail a certain percentage of people who get checks done?

It is just that with remarkably similar problems i have seen cars driven by young 'uns such as myself fail, whereas the cars/bikes taken in by 'respectable' people, such as cops, mechanics, car fanatics etc pass without a second thought.

And since when did the age of the car determine how much rain must be removed from the window??? i had a mate fail on the high speed window wipers for his galant, but on our old Vauxhall we didnt have dual speed wipers and never failed on them not being there

~milky

Lol, respectable people look after their vehicules.If you have two speed wipers they have to work.I mean if the high speed don't work,Whats the next thing to fail most likely to be??.
And as Motu Points out,The test is for now,Tomorrow is your problem.
When we do bike checks for our club run we are always hearing guys say,but it got a warrent last week.So what??That was last week,This is now.
Our own club rule states,A bike must be able to pass a warrent after the run,Some don't pass before,And that one issue keeps a lot of people from ever thinking of coming along.Thus we get very few fuckwits taking part and screwing things up for others.Imagine if your warrent was based on the same principal.Hell half the vehicules in NZ would be instant write offs.But then us respectable people would have it sweet aye.And MOTU could double his rate and have a waiting list.

[Firefight]

I think you guys are missing the whole point with a WoF - It's not FOR 6 months - we are checking the condition of the vehicle from the last test until NOW ,this very moment that we are testing the vehicle,once the vehicle leaves our premises it is YOUR responsability to KEEP it up to WoF standards.It is a visual inspection only ,we don't put on our Xray glasses,no invasive proceedures are employed - and it is up to YOU to prove us wrong if we question something about your vehicle...if I suspect your braided brake lines are not manufactured in acordance to blah,blah,blah...then you supply the proof - or pay me for my time to find out for you.The things we miss are mainly just standards markings on seatbelts,glazing,lamps tyres etc,but yeah there's a whole heap of stuff we can't look at....it called experiance,our call whether we look closer or ignore - I think it's like being a detective....sniff,sniff...AH HA!!! GOTCHA!!!!

$30 an hr?...that'd be nice,a hell of a lot of costs go into a Wof,not many recovered,we do them at a loss and just hope we pick up some work - the cheaper the Wof test the less likely you are to pass,they use the cheap price to get you in.

I, spend a fair amount of my spare time working at a country gagrge and while not qualified to issue WOFs, I am well aware of the cost involved
to be WOF compliant, ie keeping staff certified, the cost of the admin- LTSA on line thingy, Braking meters etc.,Motus is right there is no profit in WOFs, all you can hope for is extra work as a result of the check, and in the case of local country garages, it is considered by the customer to be all part of the service, and you still get people who will come in to get a WOF check knowing it will fail, and then going away and getting the work done elsewhere.So yeah NZ$ 30.00 Is dam good value for money.

Firefight

[Motu]

Based on your replies, i take it that you do WoF inspections motu... Do u have a quota system or unwritten rule that says you have to fail a certain percentage of people who get checks done?

It is just that with remarkably similar problems i have seen cars driven by young 'uns such as myself fail, whereas the cars/bikes taken in by 'respectable' people, such as cops, mechanics, car fanatics etc pass without a second thought.

And since when did the age of the car determine how much rain must be removed from the window??? i had a mate fail on the high speed window wipers for his galant, but on our old Vauxhall we didnt have dual speed wipers and never failed on them not being there

~milky

Come for a WoF at smoko or lunch time and you will fail,kinda unwritten rule.You seem to have it backwards - the biggest complaint is ''how come you are failing my 1998 whatever when there are all these wrecks driving around with no WoF....sorry,but most of those wrecks do have a WoF,how a vehicle looks has nothing to do with it,all it has to do is comply with the regs,simple as that.

When I worked in a rich bastard area I was surprised at the number of vehicles with no WoF,they'd come with a 6mth overdue WoF no problem,the cops don't pick these types up,just wave them through a spot check.People with an older vehicle usualy come in early so they have time to fix it.

Oh,thats a sad point - come in early and fail....you now have a failed WoF,even if it is still current,shoot yourself in the foot why don't ya.Working in the country we repaired 90% of our fails,working in the city I only repair 10% of my fails.

[Milky]

I wasnt hinting at the type or age of the vehicles that various people drive, it is just that on some occasions i take the family car down to be tested and it fails on problems that were around for a long long time before... problems that were ignored when my father takes the car down.

I do see your point about the wipers... they may be indicating that the system is about to fail, rather than being an isolated occurance.