MotoGP going 800

[SixPackBack]

An interesting point made by Honda in relationship to the change to 800cc is that they expect to loose up to 20% power, but regain up to 5% a year after that. Those with the deepest pockets will 'buy' back horsepower that much quicker and in a few short years the bikes will be going as fast if not faster, however all manufactures agreed to such a move as well leaving more question's than answers !

[Ivan]

WCM's engine was a R1 engine with a different gear box...and I believe it suffer alot because they weren't alowed to race for 6 or 7 seven rounds in 2003 because it wasn't a prototype engine or something...so have been behind ever since...I read somewhere that they have a new engine for next season though...a 6 cylinder I believe?

Are you sure I thought it was the gearbox was R1

[onearmedbandit]

Are you sure I thought it was the gearbox was R1

Rep points to Google:

Harris WCM site

Motorcycle Daily

[TwoSeven]

Yup, wot the cowpoos man says.

Look at the KW/cc of the 3L Formula 1 V10s, then compare them to the existing 990cc MotoGP engines.

There's still a fair bit of horsepower efficiency headroom for the design engineers to draw on, there.

I do reiterate my earlier point, though - the smaller engines will necessarily end up with more advanced materials and technology, faster, and that will inevitably benefit the better-resourced teams. It's not a new point; everyone's been saying that since the 800 rule came out.

And I would be very, very surprised if the GP bosses hadn't thought of that in advance.

Yep, I would agree - i've heard some gossip about them retuning the torque characteristics to allow them to simulate two-smokes more effectively.

[gav]

No, the real reason is because 800cc is the best size for a motorcycle, trust me, everyone will want one soon!

[cowpoos]

No, the real reason is because 800cc is the best size for a motorcycle, trust me, evryone will want one soon!

errrr.....are you expecting your bike to start appreciating or something...lol

[White trash]

No doubt, within 2 seasons the bikes will be just as fast, just more difficult to handle. That's all good if you ask me, but the racing columnist from AMCN had the right idea when the 800cc limit was floated.

Instead of reducing engine size, and making the bikes peakier, why the hell don't the powers that be introduce a 4 spreed gearbox limit. That'll slow 'em down, the engines will be tuned for torque and the bikes wont be super dangerous.

I thought it was a good idea.

[gav]

Or they could race on Pirelli's, worked for WSBK didnt it?

[White trash]

Or they could race on Pirelli's, worked for WSBK didnt it?

Doesn't neccesarily make 'em safer.

[vifferman]

No, the real reason is because 800cc is the best size for a motorcycle, trust me, evryone will want one soon!

Then why is yours a mere 781cc?

Is it a coincidence that before the rule change / displacement change was announced, Honda were rumoured to already have an 800 cc triple under development? Just like they had a 990cc V-5 (and a V6) developed before the 500cc two-smokes were scrapped.
I think not. And I do think the piscean KBer was in fact correct, despite TheTrashmouth's inconsequential rebuttal.

[sAsLEX]

Just like they had a 990cc V-5 (and a V6) developed before the 500cc two-smokes were scrapped..

990 V5 easily goes to a 800 V4 does it not?


Sneaky bloody Honda

[Coyote]

Then why is yours a mere 781cc?

Is it a coincidence that before the rule change / displacement change was announced, Honda were rumoured to already have an 800 cc triple under development? Just like they had a 990cc V-5 (and a V6) developed before the 500cc two-smokes were scrapped.
I think not. And I do think the piscean KBer was in fact correct, despite TheTrashmouth's inconsequential rebuttal.

Honda aren't that smart. They got rid of Rossi and Carmichael

[sAsLEX]

Honda aren't that smart. They got rid of Rossi and Carmichael

whats wrong with Gibenau?? pt

[TwoSeven]

From a race bike perspective power doesnt mean squat beyong a certain amount. Heck, your bike standard factory tuned cbr1000 makes 200bhp, and thats plenty.

Biggest problem is how you get it to the ground into and out of corners - which is where racing is all at. If you know that the tracks are not designed to let you do more than an average speed of 120mph, then why develop a bike that has so much power it cant be used.

So what you do is tune the torque characteristics to allow you to get effective drive out of the corners. Thats where motogp bikes are at.

Just so happens that the bore x stroke required to develop 800cc happens to also produce better drive on some machines

[Brian d marge]

Honda aren't that smart. They got rid of Rossi and Carmichael

I can back that one up, The joke round here is if you want to retire on a nice little earner , and do no work ,,,then get a job at Honda ...You should see the bonuses they get twice a year !!!

But they really do think that the world revolves around honda .... ( America honda is different , they seem to be leadig the charge ) this lot over here I would sack almost every man Jack of eM !!!

Stephen

( My wife works for the car design side in Wako ,,,so I have to endure the complaints !!)