Speeding and Dangerous Driving

[RiderInBlack]

We had people saying we were unapprochable when they had never tryed anyway.I find that for somebody that owns a home PC with net access to say they can't find BRONZ is saying more about them than anything else.If BRONZ fails at anything it is directly due to a lack of support from NZ bikers nothing else.

Point One: I am new to the internet
Point Two: I am fairly new to to bikes
Point Three: BRONZ should be premoting themselves (eg. newspaper articules, Bike mags, etc.). How about starting a Thread yourself, Jackrat. Let us know what is happening in the Bronz world. You might create some interest.
Point Four: Getting shitty with new bikers like myself does not encourage us to join.

Thanks for the web address. I will have a look at it.

PS: just a side note I have been proactive for bikes. Had written to ACC and the Govt re:Motorbike Reg issuse (was not able to make rally at the time as I was working as a Reg. Nurse in an Orthopeadic (broken bones) Ward).

[RiderInBlack]

Well that was encourageing. Visited the Bronz Web Site and read this from their editor:

"I have been involved with BRONZ for several years now, latterly as editor of the Auckland newsletter. My sub was due a couple of weeks ago: I will not be renewing it.
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I salute the intentions and aims of BRONZ, and its members, but I believe that I can make a more significant use of my time and effort to lobby for motorcycling on my own initiative.
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BRONZ in its present structure is not well suited to lobby on behalf of all motorcyclists."

Not very f*ck good. Doesn't enthoose me at all.

[Jackrat]

Point One: I am new to the internet
Point Two: I am fairly new to to bikes
Point Three: BRONZ should be premoting themselves (eg. newspaper articules, Bike mags, etc.). How about starting a Thread yourself, Jackrat. Let us know what is happening in the Bronz world. You might create some interest.
Point Four: Getting shitty with new bikers like myself does not encourage us to join.

Thanks for the web address. I will have a look at it.

PS: just a side note I have been proactive for bikes. Had written to ACC and the Govt re:Motorbike Reg issuse (was not able to make rally at the time as I was working as a Reg. Nurse in an Orthopeadic (broken bones) Ward).

None of what I wrote was a personal shot at you.
I have seen what happens to anybody that trys to start a serious discusion on this site.No thanks!!
The current problems within BRONZ are a result of people argueing rather than doing.This is much the same as all things in NZ,either put it in the to hard bin,get somebody else to do it,or moan about those who do.
Joining any organisation means becoming proactive your self,if there are problems within it is up to the membership to do something about it,but of course one has to be a member in the first place.
Truth be known,I don't care what happens to bikers in NZ.
If motorcycles were banned on NZ roads tomorrow it won't bother me one bit.
I raised this subject because somebody asked for ideas,no other reason.

[MikeL]

I have seen what happens to anybody that trys to start a serious discusion on this site.

Truth be known,I don't care what happens to bikers in NZ.

Enough said.

[RiderInBlack]

Truth be known,I don't care what happens to bikers in NZ.
If motorcycles were banned on NZ roads tomorrow it won't bother me one bit.
I raised this subject because somebody asked for ideas,no other reason.

Well I f*cken do. I take it that you don't road ride otherwise you would be more interested it whether bikes are allowed on the road. If that's the case I'd rather take advise from riders who do care.
By the way there was over 1000 bikes at the Cambridge Toy Run. It was well co-ordinated with the police. Crowds of people (waving) were on the sides of the road to see the bikes go by. And CCF will benifit from this run. All these people benifited from the fact that some of us care whether motorcycles were banned on NZ roads.

[What?]

As I posted earlier, I have laid a complaint.
So far, I have had a response from my MP (interested), the Minister of Police (acknowlegement) and the PCA (investigating).
The cops themselves have thus far remained silent...

[Coldkiwi]

good on ya What. keep bothering the buggers to make sure they actually do something about it. if they're anything like consultants, the person who bugs them the most gets their job doen first! (not that I'm speaking from personal experience you understand)

[marty]

the cops won't make any comment if it's being investigated by pca.

[aff-man]

Sorry for being dumb but what is the pca ?????? Good on ya for writing though i am surprised that you got a responce. Maybe you should write to helen clark directly because as it stands she will make any new laws/ public diplays (like a formal appology from the offending driver) to boost ratings

[riffer]

Police Complaints Authority - they "police" the police

[What?]

Maybe you should write to helen clark directly because as it stands she will make any new laws/ public diplays (like a formal appology from the offending driver) to boost ratings

D'ya reckon if we got a million signatures on a petition we could get the highway speed limit raised for bikes?

[spudchucka]

D'ya reckon if we got a million signatures on a petition we could get the highway speed limit raised for bikes?

That would require at least a quater of the population to give a shit about motorcyclists, probably more like 1/2 the population when you take account of all the apathetic pricks who are intersted in bikes but too lazy to bother.

[MikeL]

An interesting article in this morning's Herald about public attitudes towards police. Fairly sympathetic towards the police and made many valid points about social change and whether the police lead, follow or simply reflect those changes. A big omission was a discussion of falling standards of recruitment and training (part of the general dumbing-down of society) which I think is a key element.
Worth a read.

[Lou Girardin]

It was worth reading, one point quickly mentioned was the reluctance of many people to report offences. This was the subject of a Herald survey some months ago and it throws doubt on statistics showing a drop in minor crime. It seems that many people are only reporting these when required by their insurance companies.
Lou

[spudchucka]

It was worth reading, one point quickly mentioned was the reluctance of many people to report offences. This was the subject of a Herald survey some months ago and it throws doubt on statistics showing a drop in minor crime. It seems that many people are only reporting these when required by their insurance companies.
Lou

Further to that there is heaps of minor stuff that should be reported but isn't because of apethy etc. If the statistics showed the true level of offending people would be horrified. If all minor offences were reported then the Govt might be pressured into putting resources back where they can make a real difference. If they aren't reported they don't exist as far as the Govt is concerned, so make sure you report stuff even if its minor.