tokelau what a joke

**oldrider** · 29th November 2005, 21:29

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Actually it's not a silly investment. I'm constantly surprised that the New Zealand Government doesn't make National Superannuation payments to retired PI people who choose to return to the islands. Given that it is often the older PI generation that brings up the kids, rather than parents, this would keep school age kids in the islands and out of trouble in New Zealand, providing them with a greater sense of their culture and other benefits, notably less cost to the New Zealand taxpayer.

I don't think that's a silly suggestion.
I spent quite a bit of time in and around the Pacific Islands so have some knowledge of them.
I'm way out of date now though I suppose.

Cheers John.

**onearmedbandit** · 29th November 2005, 23:36

Originally Posted by WINJA

AND YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THIS , I JUST WANT NZ TAXPAYERS MONEY TO ONLY GO TO NZERS

Whole-heartedly agreed WINJA.

**jrandom** · 29th November 2005, 23:53

Originally Posted by WINJA

AND YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THIS , I JUST WANT NZ TAXPAYERS MONEY TO ONLY GO TO NZERS

An admirable, if slightly narrow-minded, view.

But who's to say that it's invalid to consider all residents of the South Pacific as one nation?

The islands that we happen to have had the luck to be born on are the only ones with reasonable natural resources and size. So be it. Am I to devote a small portion of my life's work to helping a hard-luck teenager in Alexandra and a single mum of two in Henderson, but not a family of four in Apia with a dad who can't find a job?

Obviously one must draw the line somewhere, and assign an equitable division of responsibility amongst the population of the world who have excess resources at their disposal. I can't save the starving millions of Africa.

But, given the choice, I'll err on the side of generosity.

Then again, what would I know? I'm pissed. And now you've got me all misty-eyed about the people who can't afford to drink Marlborough sauvignon blanc whenever they feel the urge.

**WINJA** · 30th November 2005, 06:34

Originally Posted by Fish

An admirable, if slightly narrow-minded, view.

But who's to say that it's invalid to consider all residents of the South Pacific as one nation?

The islands that we happen to have had the luck to be born on are the only ones with reasonable natural resources and size. So be it. Am I to devote a small portion of my life's work to helping a hard-luck teenager in Alexandra and a single mum of two in Henderson, but not a family of four in Apia with a dad who can't find a job?

Obviously one must draw the line somewhere, and assign an equitable division of responsibility amongst the population of the world who have excess resources at their disposal. I can't save the starving millions of Africa.

But, given the choice, I'll err on the side of generosity.

Then again, what would I know? I'm pissed. And now you've got me all misty-eyed about the people who can't afford to drink Marlborough sauvignon blanc whenever they feel the urge.

THE COUNTRYS THAT KICK INTO OUR COFFERS COULD BE PART OF OUR NATION , BUT NONE DO . CALL ME HEARTLESS BUT I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRYS STARVE ,ESPECIALLY WHEN THERES HUNGRY KIDS IN THIS COUNTRY .
AND I NEVER ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN ONLY SUCCEDE WITH GOOD LAND , BTW MOST PACIFIC ISLANDS ARE LUSH, LOOK AT WHAT THE JEWS DO WITH THE DESSERT

**jrandom** · 30th November 2005, 08:22

Originally Posted by WINJA

THE COUNTRYS THAT KICK INTO OUR COFFERS COULD BE PART OF OUR NATION , BUT NONE DO . CALL ME HEARTLESS...

OK. You're heartless.

Won't you think of the CHILDREN?

Originally Posted by WINJA

AND I NEVER ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN ONLY SUCCEDE WITH GOOD LAND, BTW MOST PACIFIC ISLANDS ARE LUSH

Lush, yes, at least in terms of palm trees and bush and whatnot. Capable of supporting proper agriculture? Not really.

Originally Posted by WINJA

LOOK AT WHAT THE JEWS DO WITH THE DESSERT

Too true there. My Yiddish grandmother makes lovely raisin cake.

**Colapop** · 30th November 2005, 08:37

Originally Posted by WINJA

THE PI PEOPLE IN NZ GET MORE THAN THEIR SHARE OF BENEFIT FROM THEIR TAX DOLLARS .I DONT SEE WHY WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEIR HOME COUNTRIES AS WELL , ESPECIALLY WHEN THERES NO MONEY LEFT IN THE KITTY FOR FARMERS THAT LOSE CROPS ETC.

It's not only the PI people though, there are many countries that NZ tax payers support through donations ie. the tsunami affected countries full of terrorists in waiting like Indonesia.

I actually do agree with you though, if there is no money for internal aid then why support other countries? I would sponsor a "Save the Children" child but I have two at home who require my support first. When I no longer need to support them, then I will help elsewhere.

**Lou Girardin** · 30th November 2005, 09:34

Originally Posted by WINJA

LOOK AT WHAT THE JEWS DO WITH THE DESSERT

Pavlovastein?

**WINJA** · 30th November 2005, 14:05

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Pavlovastein?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

**WINJA** · 30th November 2005, 14:07

Originally Posted by Fish

OK. You're heartless.

Won't you think of the CHILDREN?

Lush, yes, at least in terms of palm trees and bush and whatnot. Capable of supporting proper agriculture? Not really.

Too true there. My Yiddish grandmother makes lovely raisin cake.

THE PACIFIC ISLANDS ARE MORE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING AGRICULTURE THAN NZ , DONT BE FOOLED ITS ABOUT MOTAVATION , WOULD YOU TOIL IF YOU GOT HANDOUTS?
I LIVED IN THE ISLANDS FOR A WHILE , IM PART ISLANDER AND SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE