Shotguns?

[T.W.R]

In my example you'll find that all things being equal the lighter bullet expands more readily in the same type of target.

yeah true but in some instances a light grain bullet actually will totally disintergrate also. eg .22 250 or .17 hornet best long range calibre for rabbits & hares but a stick will totally fuck the projectile, even a blade of grass will screw it.

close range shooting its better to use heavier grain projectiles for stopping power, again with .303 as example for ( no pun intended) pig shooting its best to go to 190-210grn projectile or better still shotgun solid ( pig slug ).

anyhow you guys should be allowed to shoot to kill!, my mate works in Forensics & was at papatoetoe for 3yrs & there was an underlying revolt against the way the courts deal with things & the rights the criminals have. half the cops are sick of it

[scumdog]

yeah true but in some instances a light grain bullet actually will totally disintergrate also. eg .22 250 or .17 hornet best long range calibre for rabbits & hares but a stick will totally fuck the projectile, even a blade of grass will screw it.

close range shooting its better to use heavier grain projectiles for stopping power, again with .303 as example for ( no pun intended) pig shooting its best to go to 190-210grn projectile or better still shotgun solid ( pig slug ).

anyhow you guys should be allowed to shoot to kill!, my mate works in Forensics & was at papatoetoe for 3yrs & there was an underlying revolt against the way the courts deal with things & the rights the criminals have. half the cops are sick of it

But if we were allowed to 'shoot to kill' we would be MURDERERS!! Go figure!!

Yeah, use to mainly use 180gn in my 308 - then C.A.C. went out of business now I handload 165gn in a fairly hot load, does the job.

[T.W.R]

But if we were allowed to 'shoot to kill' we would be MURDERERS!! Go figure!!

Yeah, use to mainly use 180gn in my 308 - then C.A.C. went out of business now I handload 165gn in a fairly hot load, does the job.

nah you'd be doing the public a service getting rid of half the bastards instead of them getting holiday camp treatment in the jails & costing the tax payer thousands each year!

yeah my 140grn sieeras were loaded with 40gr AR2206 could put a 50c grouping at 150m with the leupold 9x

[scumdog]

nah you'd be doing the public a service getting rid of half the bastards instead of them getting holiday camp treatment in the jails & costing the tax payer thousands each year!

yeah my 140grn sieeras were loaded with 40gr AR2206 could put a 50c grouping at 150m with the leupold 9x

Wasn't there a post on "why you joined Kb" (or similar title) thread where somebody posted "because there's no gun thread?"

I think I last used about 44.5grn of same powder with my 165gn Lapua projectiles, about 50c (on a good day) at 100 yards with Bushnell 2.75X

[spudchucka]

What guns are those? MP5's or is it a pistol version?

Bushmaster rifles, a variation of the M4.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/C...c-c15rm4ft.asp

[spudchucka]

Three 9mm rounds didn't even slow down the nutter with a knife in Henderson yesterday.
Time for 12 gauges perhaps?

.223 would have done the job. There have been many cases documented where a 9mm hand gun has been almost completely ineffective against a highly motivated or enrgaged nut case. I don't think shotguns offer anything more than the current weapons in use.

[spudchucka]

Why the fu*k are they using guns against a fu*ken knife.

They didn't use a gun against a knife. They used a gun to stop a person armed with a knife, (who had just killed somebody with that knife), from harming anybody else.

[spudchucka]

Thats a good point. Isn't that the whole idea of semi auto?

Fill the air with lead and let god sort it out?

[spudchucka]

one good shot to the knee would have fixed the prick

Yeah but Billy The Kid doesn't work for the police.

[Stevo]

Yeah but Billy The Kid doesn't work for the police.

Also TWR has possibly never attempted shooting the knee of a knife wielding highly charged person. (Hopefully). From my experiences it cannot be that easy

[Stevo]

yeah true but in some instances a light grain bullet actually will totally disintergrate also. eg .22 250 or .17 hornet best long range calibre for rabbits & hares but a stick will totally fuck the projectile, even a blade of grass will screw it.

close range shooting its better to use heavier grain projectiles for stopping power, again with .303 as example for ( no pun intended) pig shooting its best to go to 190-210grn projectile or better still shotgun solid ( pig slug ).

anyhow you guys should be allowed to shoot to kill!, my mate works in Forensics & was at papatoetoe for 3yrs & there was an underlying revolt against the way the courts deal with things & the rights the criminals have. half the cops are sick of it

Not quite comparing apples with apples here I feel. Bullet shapes weights and velocities are all factors.
In the 308 I need More powder to punch the Lapua 155 boat tail out at the same velocity as the 155 Sierra.

When testing and chronographing my loads, the chronograph is not more than 10 yards in front of the rifle. The 155gr projectile is doing just under 3000 ft/sec. Not sure how you think it might accelerate after leaving the barrel?? Penetration is NOT an issue as I am a long range target shooter, so am more interested in finding loads that give the most consistent, readings and groups.

[jrandom]

I don't think shotguns offer anything more than the current weapons in use.

Well, they offer a fuckload more muzzle energy, I mean, 12-gauge slug, come on!

Obviously the problems with overpenetration thereof, and spread of shot if you're not using slugs, rule it out. Never heard of cops using shotguns and lead loads for any mixed hostile and Innocent Bystander (tm) situation.

But fuck me if I'd choose anything over a 12-gauge and 00 buck for the old home defense situation.

By the way, all the people sniffing at the pathetic muzzle energy of a 9mm NATO round? I hear your frustration. Tell ya what, I'll shoot you with one, and then you can tell everyone how much it totally didn't hurt.

.45GAP sounded promising, haven't been reading the gunrags much last year or so, but anyone heard whether the Murkn cops have taken it up at all?

See, problem with .45ACP is fat-arse cartridge size, of course, and consequent limitation of mag loadout. Any cartridge designed pre-World War I is going to suffer from the overengineering engendered by being sized for the tolerance of the case metal available from the metallurgy of a hundred years ago, which is why the Glock 17 comes in 9 mil but not .45ACP, last time I looked.

And what was with the bystanders saying that the cop was shooting at the Henderson knife-wielder's leg? WTF? What happened to aiming for center mass?

[thehollowmen]

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[Stevo]

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[RiderInBlack]

They didn't use a gun against a knife. They used a gun to stop a person armed with a knife, (who had just killed somebody with that knife), from harming anybody else.

Then maybe a tazer would have been better, cause a psychotic or drug hyped person doesn't slow well with bullets unless you shot to kill. If guns were the answer we would arm Nurses with guns that are dealing with Psychotic patients. If the perp had a gun or bow, then sure, shot the fu*ker. But I don't buy that Police need to use a gun against a knife. They didn't used to. The knife welder has not change much.

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