Shotguns?

[sAsLEX]

Its a very very very logical answer. You guys are giving me technical answers.....

you lost me sorry, technical answers are the only true answer.........maybe

[geoffm]

They have recently changed the firearms re-certification shoot from annually to six monthly. So at least now we get to go to the range twice a year.

Is it still only 50 rounds though? Hell that is plinking-at-cans ammo usage. A good pistol match is up to 300 rounds - every month.
At least with some more practice, not only will I be able to score some more empty cases, there might be less holes in the range roof...
Geoff

[geoffm]

I don't know shit all about balistics but it seems to me that there would be an optimum rate of spin for each class of ammo and the weapons barrel should be rifled to generate that ideal rate of spin.

As an example - in my 0.223 (Remington 700BDL), it will put 3 shots through a 10c piece at 100m (5c if I am in good form on the right day), using 55gr Hornady projectiles and BM2 powder. I tried some 70gr cartridges - group would have made a shotgun blush.

Geoff

[scumdog]

As an example - in my 0.223 (Remington 700BDL), it will put 3 shots through a 10c piece at 100m (5c if I am in good form on the right day), using 55gr Hornady projectiles and BM2 powder. I tried some 70gr cartridges - group would have made a shotgun blush.

Geoff

Yeah, I mentioned that sort of thing earlier, it's more important with the smaller calibres, my 308 is not quite so fussy. (never tried a 220grn load through it though)

[Sniper]

Yeah, I mentioned that sort of thing earlier, it's more important with the smaller calibres, my 308 is not quite so fussy. (never tried a 220grn load through it though)

I tried lots of loads, but then, they were all in a box and they hit what I wanted them too. Except one (The bastard)

[Pixie]

'Building up impact velocity'?????????? The projectile has already done that as it exits the barrel - it's all slow-down after that!!!

Naaah, mate ,these are special James Bond rocket rounds

[Sniper]

Naaah, mate ,these are special James Bond rocket rounds

Off nightfire?

[avgas]

Depends on what the guy is on. I have seen someone high on 3 types of drugs take 7 shots of .38mm and 2 mags of 9mm before he eventually faltered and didn't get up.

I have also seen a guy go into shock and die from a fucken shrapnel wound in the knee. Depends on whos getting shot and how well you can place a bullet.

I can quote this to be true - i got up on pure adrenilin, with no pain, made 5 steps to find i had a 2nd right knee joint.....in the middle of my tibia (which looked really cool when i look back at).
Also had a case when i was wasted (on unmentioned substances) during my mispent youth..... and i twisted both ankles and still walked 5km home.
Human body is MEGA_AWESOME

[SARGE]

Depends on what the guy is on. I have seen someone high on 3 types of drugs take 7 shots of .38mm and 2 mags of 9mm before he eventually faltered and didn't get up.

I have also seen a guy go into shock and die from a fucken shrapnel wound in the knee. Depends on whos getting shot and how well you can place a bullet.

you guys never learn the sniper credo?..


one shot one kill?

I'll give you a glock and see how well you place a shot when they are coming towards you with a knife.

deal... when do we start?

BTW those advocating .45ACP obviously haven't fired it. You'd be lucky to get 1 round on target with an M1911A1 let alone more. Especially with the amount of training our cops get.

.45's kick like a mule.. great stopping power though.. 9mm is too fast and pointed..


.45 on the other hand, is a big fat slow round that will carry 85% of your body weight out with it..

Why do US cops and some military forces (Vietnam, Malaya) use shotguns in close quarter work?

i carried a Mossberg 5500 semi-auto, loaded with 10 00 buck in a jungle rigged clip setup ( 3 mags of 10 , taped together: 2 up 1 down) for entry work, at various times i carried the MP5, M203 (loaded with a few buckshot room cleaners...), M16, High Standard M10-a and my all time favorite was the M60 as a shoulder fired main weapon( 2 on each team rigged like that ..)

sidearms we were issued the 9mm but i traded mine back for a surplus 1911a

always strapped the trusty Mossberg though..

[Timber020]

Anything bigger the 9mm wouldnt be conjusive with NZ police training. Getting any accuracy out of a pistol is a challange, lifting the bar by giving policemen (and women) 40's or 45's would just mean less rounds finding there intended target and possibly finding other things to knock down.

In some situations the 9mm isnt sufficent but for the amount of situations that require officers to use firearms in this country, I dont think its worth seriously debating. You can always improve on firepower, but its weakness is always going to be its application.

In many situations the v6 commodores have proven woefully inadiquate when in pursuit, but does this mean every cop should be in a GTR skyline?

[sAsLEX]

Naaah, mate ,these are special James Bond rocket rounds

dont laugh there are plans for propelled and guided rounds fired from large calibre "sniper" rifles,

[spudchucka]

I am not aware of any official policy in the NZ police of 'not shooting to kill' any here qualified to correct me? Spudchucka or similar currently in the job? seems a little silly to try not to kill them if you ask me, kinda like using a chainsaw like a bat, you can do it but its not designed to do it well. lol

Pretty much everbody is missunderstanding the police officers intention when shooting an offender. They aren't interested or motivated by killing the person. Their only reason to shoot an offender is to incapacitate them in order to stop them from doing whatever it is they were doing that required them to be incapacitated.

The only way to quickly and effectively incapacitate a person with a firearm is to shoot at centre mass. The person may likely die as a result but the cops intention was never to cause the persons death, it was only to stop them doing whatever it was the were doing.

[scumdog]

Anything bigger the 9mm wouldnt be conjusive with NZ police training. Getting any accuracy out of a pistol is a challange, lifting the bar by giving policemen (and women) 40's or 45's would just mean less rounds finding there intended target and possibly finding other things to knock down.

In some situations the 9mm isnt sufficent but for the amount of situations that require officers to use firearms in this country, I dont think its worth seriously debating. You can always improve on firepower, but its weakness is always going to be its application.

In many situations the v6 commodores have proven woefully inadiquate when in pursuit, but does this mean every cop should be in a GTR skyline?

Very logical and sensible analagy - so what the hell is it doing on THIS site??

BTW I noticed there was no criticism of the car chase in Canterbury when the Police were trying to stop (did stop) a mad axe weilding lunatic that had already attacked somebody.

Is it o.k. to pursue unless the other car crashes and people get hurt/killed and then it's NOT o.k. to pursue?? Is that how the 'rules' work??

Likewise with shootings??

[sAsLEX]

BTW I noticed there was no criticism of the car chase in Canterbury when the Police were trying to stop (did stop) a mad axe weilding lunatic that had already attacked somebody.

Thats as people view that as a real crime rather than slipping over the speed limit

[scumdog]

Thats as people view that as a real crime rather than slipping over the speed limit

Sorry, so the police just KNOW that the driver of every car they chase that is over the speed limit has done nothing other than exceed the speed limit????