Police headquarters aren't retarded.

**Lou Girardin** · 22nd November 2005, 07:13

They think we are.
They're trying to say that a survey on 111 response times, showing that Counties - Manukau averages 31 minutes, is flawed because of a glitch that saw some non-urgent calls included.
Do the expect us to believe that a few irrelevant calls is going to raise the average of thousands of genuine calls from 13 to 31 minutes?
One things for sure, if you live in South Auckland, buy a gun.

**heavenly.talker** · 22nd November 2005, 07:42

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

They think we are.
They're trying to say that a survey on 111 response times, showing that Counties - Manukau averages 31 minutes, is flawed because of a glitch that saw some non-urgent calls included.
Do the expect us to believe that a few irrelevant calls is going to raise the average of thousands of genuine calls from 13 to 31 minutes?
One things for sure, if you live in South Auckland, buy a gun.

Ah...so you were watching that spout of drivel on breakfast this morning too?
If you believed his wording...there was one instance of 31 mins!

**scumdog** · 22nd November 2005, 07:45

Originally Posted by heavenly.talker

Ah...so you were watching that spout of drivel on breakfast this morning too?
If you believed his wording...there was one instant of 31 mins!

Been times when 'somebody' forgot to put in that the job had been attended and resulted, all of a sudden they wake up when according to the clock the job hasn't yet been dealt with - and has been in the system for 138 minutes.

(just for an example).

**sAsLEX** · 22nd November 2005, 07:46

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Do the expect us to believe that a few irrelevant calls is going to raise the average of thousands of genuine calls from 13 to 31 minutes?

late news his wording suggested just one wrong call had been included and had thrown the stats way off

welll didn't some gunnmint promise more coppers??

**mattt** · 22nd November 2005, 07:59

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

late news his wording suggested just one wrong call had been included and had thrown the stats way off

welll didn't some gunnmint promise more coppers??

Yeh there's a big fuckoff drive for recruits on now, forget the no. but hundreds of newcops over next 4 years.

Also, not the cops fault regarding the 111 system, they employ the same monkeys that you talk to when you dial up pizza hut etc Call centre staff on $fukall/hr in some room in some building behind some computer somewhere.

**ManDownUnder** · 22nd November 2005, 08:24

Hang about - what do they say about lies, damned lies and statistics?

I'm not saying the 111 system is perfect, but I AM saying the press' appropriate use of stats isn't.

Something more useful would be the average times for calls that passed screening, qualified as urgent and were subsequently dispatched to the appropriate service

MDU - yet again... 5c poorer...

**heavenly.talker** · 22nd November 2005, 08:27

Totally agree that this doesn't reflect on the hard work of the crew in blue...the thing that bugged me is the spokesperson couched the message in such a way that it looked sus!

**Swoop** · 22nd November 2005, 08:40

Irena Asher.

111 = dial a taxi. Did the police actually learn anything from that debacle???

Also, all the "promised" new numbers of "front line police officers" is now being changed to "staff" by the government.
Which means more paper shufflers and less actual crime being solved.
Well, surprise surprise...

**sAsLEX** · 22nd November 2005, 08:54

continually being bombarded with the LTSA's rubbish stats its nice to see the gunnmint being handed some back!

But I do agree with scumdogs point

**tracyprier** · 22nd November 2005, 08:55

Well here goes...

I believe it is time we as a country started REALLY talking about the rights of self defense. Over many years those in power have sold us this lie that we don't need to be able to defend ourselves, that is what the Police are there for.

This is not a dig at the Police at all, I have a high regard for our coppers.

Nowadays we are seeing more and more evidence that this whole concept of the Police protecting us is a lie. How can they possibly protect every single person? This would only work if there was a cop standing guard outside every house.

Am I saying we should all be able to carry guns??? ... no. What I'm saying is that we as a society need to start talking about the issue of self defence instead of continuing on with this flawed idea of protection from some outside agency.

diatribe ends...

**Karma** · 22nd November 2005, 10:15

See I woulda serious considered being a copper, if it weren't for the fact that you're not allowed to do the job they pay you for.

To protect and serve... where does this apply in your everyday jobs?

Perhaps the coppers on here could shed some light on it... if you apply a +1 to any positive encounter you have during a day and -1 to the negatives, what's your average score for a day?

The one thing that would really get me is that people would be smiles to your face, but then really different underneith. For instance, if I invite a copper mate of mine around to my house for a BBQ is he going to say something about my (alleged) stash of music and DVDs which may or may not be legally copied

It's a tough one... very little respect for the coppers, and it's not their fault, OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT!!!

**scumdog** · 22nd November 2005, 10:20

Originally Posted by Weasel

See I woulda serious considered being a copper, if it weren't for the fact that you're not allowed to do the job they pay you for.

To protect and serve... where does this apply in your everyday jobs?

Perhaps the coppers on here could shed some light on it... if you apply a +1 to any positive encounter you have during a day and -1 to the negatives, what's your average score for a day?

!!!

You mean we're allowed to have POSITIVE encounters?? well wizz my britches, they never told ME that!

**Lou Girardin** · 22nd November 2005, 10:24

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Hang about - what do they say about lies, damned lies and statistics?

I'm not saying the 111 system is perfect, but I AM saying the press' appropriate use of stats isn't.

Something more useful would be the average times for calls that passed screening, qualified as urgent and were subsequently dispatched to the appropriate service

MDU - yet again... 5c poorer...

This was a Police survey, it counted the time from when the job was passed to a cop until he arrived. It didn't include time for the call to be answered.

**Lou Girardin** · 22nd November 2005, 10:25

Originally Posted by scumdog

You mean we're allowed to have POSITIVE encounters?? well wizz my britches, they never told ME that!

I hear you have yours when you get home.

**scumdog** · 22nd November 2005, 10:26

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

This was a Police survey, it counted the time from when the job was passed to a cop until he arrived. It didn't include time for the call to be answered.

Sometimes that arrival time doesn't get logged (as per my earlier post) due to this obscure item called 'human error'.