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    a cautionary tale of internet groups/forums

    Hi Everyone,

    What follows here is a cautionary tale of internet groups/forums. It is in NO way meant to be a mirrored reflection of KIWIBIKER.CO.NZ, but I think there may be aspects to this story that may have ramifications on us all one day if this forum keeps growing at the rate it appears to be and other forums folks might be involved in and as such it maybe of interest to people here.

    Anyway, I work in a sector of the broadcast and television industry, similar to video editing. It involves the use of expensive equipment, both hardware and software based. There are maybe less then 500 companies world wide with this equipment, and in NZ only 4 companies provide this service, so finding people to talk to about experienced problems is difficult. About 14 years ago an American colleague founded an internet group, where all the operators of this equipment could meet and share information, solve problems, complain about shortcomings in the industry and their supplies equipment and software, all in the name of furthering the industry and making life easier for all concerned.

    In the early days it was a great success, the sharing of information was partly responsible for raising the bar for the standard of work that was produced, it became de-riguer for anyone in my profession to be on this internet group, and alot of people where able to save alot of time and expense by listening to the experiences of others. But word got out and it grew, the engineers of the related industry joined and added a welcome different slant to the group. Then the bosses of the companies joined, to keep in the loop with emerging technologies. The downside now was as an employee you had to watch what you said and couldn’t be seen to be letting out company secrets. Then the equipment and software supplies joined in, watching for anyone bad mouthing their equipment, and in some cases complaining to their bosses if they thought they had been mistreated, and that's when things went wrong.

    After a series of postings recently about a particular manufactures product that did not sing its praises, a legal battle ensued and has resulted in the internet group being closed down. Just in case you think this is an American thing, This internet group was truly global and had been operating and administered from a server right here in New Zealand for the last number of years, so the long arm of the law is indeed far reaching.

    As I’ve mentioned, KIWIBIKER is not quite the same, we here can hide behind user names if we want to. Apart from a handful of people, we would walk past a fellow member in the street, and not know we had been chatting with them online an hour before. We also, for the most part, don’t work in motorbike related industries. However their are plenty of folks here that do derive their incomes from the motorbike industry or related industries. And I expect there are plenty of people that log on and never contribute, that probably work higher up the bike industry food chain. As this forum grows and its profile grows, it is not beyond reason that it will take on a more global nature, with more subscribers from overseas. I have already seen two segments in the UK bike press about New Zealand bike stories, that I had seen here first. The internet makes the world a very small place indeed.

    As I said at the start its a cautionary tale, its unlikely that something similar would happen here, but who knows what the future will bring. I like this site, I get alot from it and try to add something worthwhile every now and again. I hope it never loses the spirit it currently has, but I think as the corporate world finally gets to grips with the internet, places like this might be forced to change in the future.

    So there you go, something for the afternoon as they say.

    Cheers all.

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    Bugger, but as you said, that is American attitude. If someone doesn't like something, piss off.
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    I think Sniper he refered to it being not only an American thing. Next, how effing crazy is it that on a public forum you can't express your opinion on a topic without someone threatening legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    Bugger, but as you said, that is American attitude. If someone doesn't like something, piss off.


    yup... thats me..my family... 99% of my friends..my dog..


    must be a Yank thing..Waylander.. any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARGE
    yup... thats me..my family... 99% of my friends..my dog..


    must be a Yank thing..Waylander.. any thoughts?

    You do have a reputation that says 'Lawyers at 20 paces' nonetheless. And if you don't like it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    Bugger, but as you said, that is American attitude. If someone doesn't like something, piss off.
    No its not an American thing, thats my point. Its a global thing. This post was not meant to be taken as an attack on any single nation, but prehaps a realisation that the world has gotten alot smaller recently, and NZ is no longer along way from anywhere, thanks to the internet - for good as well as bad.

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    The point is, and like I said. If no-one likes my opinions, thats fine, but call a lawer on me cause of it, I will get annoyed. I can't see any self-respecting Kiwi getting upset of spilt milk and claiming legal action because someone hurt their feelings.

    Sarge, my apologese, I did not mean ALL Americans.
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    It may have started as an american thing, but it is now a world wide thing and, its happening here, now!
    This site has already had a breif encounter with just this type of mentality!

    egocentric arseholes, one and all!
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    If this is something to do with my recent posting of the product I am getting made for the bike, then I can tell you I am still going through with it despite one or two people who hadn't had such good success. I'm a firm believer of finding things out for myself. If it doesn't pan out, well be my fault, but the manufacturer, upon speaking to him this morning has assured me that I will be completely satisfied and I don't really have a reason to doubt him.

    Maybe I shouldn't have posted that thread in the first place. Dawnrazor is right, it doesn't do some motorcycle-industry people any good sometimes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    The point is, and like I said. If no-one likes my opinions, thats fine, but call a lawer on me cause of it, I will get annoyed. I can't see any self-respecting Kiwi getting upset of spilt milk and claiming legal action because someone hurt their feelings.
    Sarge, my apologese, I did not mean ALL Americans.
    I think the problem is, there are quite a lot fewer self-respecting and more disrespecful kiwis in general. The so-called americanisation of NZ cannot be blamed because it is a reaction to global influences.





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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman
    It may have started as an american thing, but it is now a world wide thing and, its happening here, now!
    This site has already had a breif encounter with just this type of mentality!
    Its farking sad though. The world getting its hackles up because some namby pamby arsehole cries cause his feelings are hurt.

    Bring back conscription/drafting, that will shut the bastards up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    Its farking sad though. The world getting its hackles up because some namby pamby arsehole cries cause his feelings are hurt.

    Bring back conscription/drafting, that will shut the bastards up
    Yeah, often wondered how much good that would do.

    That and chucking all the whingers in a really big concrete tank (that they couldn't climb out of) with all the criminal scumbags out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colapop
    That and chucking all the whingers in a really big concrete tank (that they couldn't climb out of) with all the criminal scumbags out there.
    Or just do the sorting procedure.

    Put them in a ring with gloves and tell them to beat the shit out of each other. I had many a fun day watching that and I bet my pay that whoever got the shit smacked out of them wouldn't cry to a lawer afterwards.
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    Just to be absolutely clear here, I haven't posted this as a reaction to any postings made by members of this site. It purely is an example of the type of behavior that is happening to other forums, all be it in this case not so much a public forum, but an industry one. That said as has been noted, this site has already had one episode of a similiar nature.
    It also isn't a relflection on kiwis, the fact of the matter is, just because this is called kiwibiker.co.nz makes not a bit of difference as far as the world stage goes.

    This is a sucessful website, the bigger it gets the high it raises its head over the parapit, when its up high enough people take notice, set BOTS on it looking for mentions of their products etc (as an example). We daily talk about the products of global companies, thats all I'm saying.

    I don't know if we should change anything, I certainly won't be doing anything different unless directed to by the moderators. But I think we should all realise this site may not remain what it is now forever.

    If it can happen to a little industry forum of a couple thousand members then who knows...... its just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    The point is, and like I said. If no-one likes my opinions, thats fine, but call a lawer on me cause of it, I will get annoyed. I can't see any self-respecting Kiwi getting upset of spilt milk and claiming legal action because someone hurt their feelings.

    Sarge, my apologese, I did not mean ALL Americans.


    i was serious man... most of the close circle i kept iin the States had a FUCK OFF attitude.. men, women..didnt matter..

    as far as the lawyers .. i say when the Revolution comes.. we START by killing all of them FIRST...
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