Lane splitting/filtering: the legal and commonsense answers

[Madness]

apparantly when you feel a little offended you give out reds too.....cant take the heat there fella? Getting a little sensitive and have to take it anonymous.....haha fag

Prior to you bringing pedophilia into a discussion about lane splitting I had already disagreed with every single post you made in this thread. I think that not giving you a red earlier was pretty good self-control on my part actually but that's another subject you seem to know very little about.

im off to ride the bike....I have more than one variety too so looking out for me on the Black one might not save your mirror.....bwahahahahahaha

I don't think we need to know the colour of your bike to see you coming actually but thanks for the warning. Ride safe

[skippa1]

Prior to you bringing pedophilia into a discussion about lane splitting I had already disagreed with every single post you made in this thread. I thought that by not giving you a red earlier was pretty good self-control on my part actually but that's another subject you seem to know very little about.



I don't think we need to know the colour of your bike to see you coming actually but thanks for the warning. Ride safe

wah wah rant rave....

I will. Wont be back for a couple of weeks....see you then

[Katman]

fishing is wierd aye....sometimes you catch nothing, other times you get two with one bait

Claiming that you were 'just fishing' when you suddenly realise that you've made yourself sound like a fuckwit doesn't make you sound any less like a fuckwit.

[nakedsv]

And I suppose you have no problem with people who can't push a supermarket trolley through a carpark without playing Pinball with the parked cars?

To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.

But to then defend the action as something of no consequence is morally repugnant.

+1 Well put.

[pritch]

Used and recommended by ummmm me? Lane splitter mirrors.
http://www.constructorsrg.com/mirrors/hindsight_ls.html

There are serious issues arising from the OP's first post but alas the thread went pear shaped.
No problem, I'm going for a ride now so as to be back in time to watch the Superbikes. I'll read the rest when I get back

[swbarnett]

You mean like someone who's previoulsy had their wing mirror clipped by a poorly splitting motorcyclist?

If damage was done then I agree. However, "no harn, no foul". Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.

And I suppose you have no problem with people who can't push a supermarket trolley through a carpark without playing Pinball with the parked cars?

As long as that trolley leaves no marks and does no other damage, I have no problem at all. The fact of the matter is that two mirrors clipping would seldom do any damage at all. I would have a problem in the rare cases where damage is done if the biker makes no attempt to put things right.

To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.

No argument here. That's what defines a novice. Do you expect that we're all born consumate lane-splitters? I know I clipped a mirror two in the early stages. Haven't touched one for years now.

But to then defend the action as something of no consequence is morally repugnant.

As I said, no harm, no foul. Accept that we are human and, as such, fallible; especially in the "novice" stages.

[Madness]

Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.

That'll be really comforting to the biker who finds themselves in A&E after making a "genuine mistake" eh?

Great point, thanks for posting it.

The fact of the matter is that two mirrors clipping would seldom do any damage at all.

This;

you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.

[Maha]

It's a common misconception that, because a bike is lane splitting, every car at the go slow is watching out for bikes....this is not true.
But to answer the question?...sort of. I wasn't lane splitting at the time, I was eager to get to the front at a red light, my left mirror clipped the mirror on a van. Van was stopped.

To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.

Hey! I have done that...
Never while splitting though, which is different that filtering...right?
I didn't say sorry either.....I was bad arse that night.

[FJRider]

If damage was done then I agree. However, "no harn, no foul". Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.

Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.

As such ... some (especially car drivers) see it as intentional damage.

[Madness]

Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.

It is a hazard to be avoided, just as having a head-on collision is a hazard to be avoided, admittedly with the latter likely to have much more serious consequences. It unfortunately may and does happen but that's not to say "shit happens".

It's ultimately about personal responsibility as a motorcyclist, which we all know is a concept sadly lost on so many in this day & age.

[Katman]

Nothing, not at all. You clearly just wanted to be a cock and have a go at winding up folks on the internet. What a assett to society. Thank your parents for me. Goodnight, I'm going to go dream of all the wing mirrors I'm going to knock off cars.

I'm sorry, what were you hoping for? To be repeatedly told "don't worry about it, it's perfectly ok to hit other people's vehicles"?

Here's the thing though, it's not ok to hit other people's vehicles. (Despite what some dickheads on here might say).

But I'm sure you knew that already.

[FJRider]

It is a hazard to be avoided, just as having a head-on collision is a hazard to be avoided, admittedly with the latter likely to have much more serious consequences. It unfortunately may and does happen but that's not to say "shit happens".

Burglars tend to believe an arrest is an occupational hazard ... to be avoided if possible too. But it's not the sort of thing you can always avoid ... in either situation ... by choice. (unless the choice is not doing it)

Having a head-on collision is unlikely while lane splitting/filtering on the motorway. Although in some situations ... it is possible ... if intersections are involved.

Shit" does indeed "happen" in motorcycling ... and if it hasn't happened to any motorcyclist yet ... give it time. There are enough chances of it happening on the open road.

[Madness]

Burglars tend to believe an arrest is an occupational hazard ... to be avoided if possible too. But it's not the sort of thing you can always avoid ... in either situation ... by choice. (unless the choice is not doing it)

Having a head-on collision is unlikely while lane splitting/filtering on the motorway. Although in some situations ... it is possible ... if intersections are involved.

Shit" does indeed "happen" in motorcycling ... and if it hasn't happened to any motorcyclist yet ... give it time. There are enough chances of it happening on the open road.

Come on FJ, now you're just posting for the sake of posting again. If you can't lane split without clipping the mirrors of other vehicles you shouldn't be splitting in the first place, end of fucking story.

If you're a burglar and get caught you deserve to be arrested, jailed and arse fucked repeatedly.

Post some more, you might get the OP's attention because we all know that's why you're posting to start with, eh?

[bosslady]

I'm sorry, what were you hoping for? To be repeatedly told "don't worry about it, it's perfectly ok to hit other people's vehicles"?

Here's the thing though, it's not ok to hit other people's vehicles. (Despite what some dickheads on here might say).

But I'm sure you knew that already.

Of course not, who would ever think it's ok. I have a conscience, and would you believe, a particularly good set of morals too. I think you took the passage you quoted out of context but no matter Some people answered my original post. Others just went on a rant. And groups of supposedly growned up men have been winding eachother up and feeding eachother B.S. for 2-3 days. Honestly... go ride your bikes, watch sueprbikes or something... fighting on the internet seems an incredible waste of energy...

[swbarnett]

That'll be really comforting to the biker who finds themselves in A&E after making a "genuine mistake" eh?

If someone ends up in A&E after makine a genuine mistake then it's not fault of that rider or any before. It is squarely the fault of the mind behind the attack. I am not my brother's keeper.

This;

you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.

What a load of total and utter bullshit! I can touch two painted surfaces a million times and cause no paint transfer whatsoever. It's a matter of how fast they hit. Nowhere was the speed differential between mirrors mentioned. ALL the times (maybe twice) I clipped when I was new at lane-splitting the speed differential was not nearly enough to cause any paint transfer. I know because I checked!

Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.

Where did I say it was an occupational hazard? I, for one, have not clipped a mirror in years (and I split daily). What I said was that humans are fallible.

As such ... some (especially car drivers) see it as intentional damage.

Then they need to look up the definition of "intent".