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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    Clip my wing mirror & break it without stopping & offering to pay for the repair & you (or any fuckwit for that matter) will soon see exactly how precious I can be.

    Wanker.
    oooooooo scary.....an internet threat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    Clip my wing mirror & break it without stopping & offering to pay for the repair & you (or any fuckwit for that matter) will soon see exactly how precious I can be.

    Wanker.
    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    oooooooo scary.....an internet threat
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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    oooooooo scary.....an internet threat
    I wouldn't consider it a threat at all. You and others that are suggesting it's all fine & dandy to damage the vehicles of other road users in attempt to save time & due to a lack of either skill or control are simply fucked up. To suggest that I'm in no position to hold this opinion as I'm guilty of such behaviour myself is quite frankly wrong, hence I think you are a wanker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    I wouldn't consider it a threat at all. You and others that are suggesting it's all fine & dandy to damage the vehicles of other road users in attempt to save time & due to a lack of control are simply fucked up. To suggest that I'm in no position to hold this opinion as I'm guilty of such behaviour myself is quite frankly wrong, hence I think you are a wanker.

    Who said anything about damage...................? I think you are trying to pick a fight with me.....calling me a wanker....thats fighting talkunless you are inferring I masturbate whilst riding, hence the reson I may have clipped a wing mirror I dont think you are a wanker. I think you are superior to me with your outstanding motorcycle control skills and I only have admiration for you and your opinions. I can only hope that I am one day as good as you.


    I should add that I am being sincere
    Last edited by skippa1; 22nd February 2013 at 13:50. Reason: to add sincerity

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    Who said anything about damage...................? I think you are trying to pick a fight with me.....calling me a wanker....thats fighting talkunless you are inferring I masturbate whilst riding, hence the reson I may have clipped a wing mirror I dont think you are a wanker. I think you are superior to me with your outstanding motorcycle control skills and I only have admiration for you and your opinions. I can only hope that I am one day as good as you.
    I don't try to pick fights with the disabled, it's just not cricket. It's not about having superior skills either, it's about riding responsibly without damaging the property of others.

    Do you ride a Victory by any chance?

    Edit: Try adding some punctuation to your posts some time. Think of it as personal development.
    Last edited by Madness; 22nd February 2013 at 13:53. Reason: Trying to help the feeble-minded.

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    Pulls up a chair, gets out the pop corns, settles back to watch the fun.

    Broken mirrors scattered across the floor at my feet........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    I don't try to pick fights with the disabled, it's just not cricket. It's not about having superior skills either, it's about riding responsibly without damaging the property of others.

    Do you ride a Victory by any chance?

    Edit: Try using some punctuation to your posts some time. Think of it as personal development.
    for the deaf.....WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DAMAGE.....
    That feels better.
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    Yes I do. Do you ride a Kawasaki?

    Last edited by skippa1; 22nd February 2013 at 13:57. Reason: trying to help my own feeble mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subike View Post

    Broken mirrors scattered across the floor at my feet........
    I know....look at the fuckers all over the place *kicks another broken one under the table*

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    for the deaf.....WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DAMAGE.....
    That feels better.
    Yes I do. Do you ride a Kawasaki?

    Sorry, I didn't realise all wing mirrors were made of silicone rubber these days

    It must be pretty hard to control a bike whilst splitting that wouldn't handle well at all to start with? Mind you, it's all about image, innit?

    Yes, I ride a Kawasaki. And no, I have never clipped the wing mirror of another vehicle whilst splitting.

    I have been beside a car who had their wing mirror "clipped" by a retard on a bike as recently as this year. The mirror literally exploded and the biker simply tootled off into the sunset. That rider is a fuckwit of the highest order.
    Last edited by Madness; 22nd February 2013 at 14:01. Reason: Added punctuation, just for the intelligent readers out there.

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    I've done plenty of splitting, and never clipped a mirror.

    If I did, there'd be pretty much two options:

    1. I misjudged a gap (or a driver didn't see me, in a case where I could not reasonably expect him or her to have, and closed the gap on me), and I went where I should not have. Just like if I tried to drive my car between two other cars and scraped them: my fault. In this case I'd try to see about reparations, if it could be done without causing further traffic issues. (I know someone who let a car catch up to him, so he could hand over his business card).

    2. Someone deliberately closed a gap on me, or just drove carelessly. Then, sure, I'd maybe just carry on without action (other than a "poor me" thread on KB to which people could reply "HTFU").

    Lane splitting is freakin' fun (and useful) but it's not like some God given privilege. Though more or less legal, it simply isn't what drivers are expecting, and while no drivers ought to deliberately block splitters, it's up to us to be careful.

    The only vehicle I've ever seen deliberately close the gap on me, was a freakin' long truck+trailer. Bastard. That was scary.

    I never filter. Too much "what if I stall?" doubt. And in town I find the gaps are so often much narrower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosslady View Post
    if so, have you ever clipped a car? and what did you do about it, nothing I guess? what can you really do if it's almost bumper to bumper on all lanes for quite a few ks? just asking...
    I stop and apologise and rectify if required (but I've never had to, although I've never smashed one off splitting). The law requires you to stop in an accident, and manners aside, I'm not about to find out the hard way if clipping a mirror constitutes an accident.

    Besides, I'd expect a nudge over if I didn't; I'm a motorcyclist and I wouldn't think twice about tipping a bike that split me, stopped at the lights, and didn't offer to pay the damage.

    Who said anything about damage? Ahhh, that would be common sense... you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Besides, if you don't stop, how would you know if you'd done damage or not. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.

    /edit: Actually I never ever split, only filter.

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    I think I would only clip them if I started to look at how handsome I am in the car mirrors....
    Now silicon, glass, rubber, plastic, elbows, dogs teeth, ciggy buts, heck you guys riding the land fills?
    and yes pzkpfw, splitting is a heap of fun some days, have had riders in ques pull into the gap and follow me at different times when i putter past them
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    I split and filter every day. It was the main reason I got a bike in the first place. I started a week after getting my learners, after a week of riding with the traffic to get the feel for it. I had more close calls on the open road than when I was splitting. I'd say splitting is as safe as you make it, and to do it if you feel confident enough and, even though I did, I wouldn't recommended splitting without a bit of experience behind you.

    Like others have said you just have to be pretty careful when you do it, and don't be one of these guys who hoon down going 50km/h faster than the cars on either side. Just remember that the faster you go the less time you have to react to a car crossing your path, which can happen when you least expect it.

    I've been splitting to work for around 10 months and I've never had any super close calls. Had one or two sketchy moments but they weren't very bad at all. Most car drivers are pretty aware of splitting motorcycles, at least in Auckland.

    To try to keep safe I make sure that I usually never split going faster than 40-50km/h (if the traffic is moving faster you merge back in), I always cover both brakes and I try to stay in a low gear to allow for as much engine braking assistance as possible for when I need it, without stressing my engine too much. You also want to be super aware of gaps. If you're splitting past a car with a gap on its side where you're passing through make sure you either slow down a lot or swing into the gap a little to give yourself extra room in case they decide to change lanes. Having said that, when you swing in slightly make sure you cheap your blindspot quickly and check the cars in the other lanes to check they're not going to change into you from that side.

    In terms of filtering, that usually seems more dangerous in terms of pedestrians. Never underestimate where those buggers might step out from. Also be wary of car doors opening, dropping people off, especially early morning in the CBD.

    Oh and one last point I can think of, cops usually don't mind if you do either, so long as you're not looking too reckless. I've split/filtered past tons of em, never had an issue. Even split past a couple cops on bikes too. Oh, and very last thing, don't be one of those people who splits at 10km/h with a bunch of bikes behind you. Check your mirrors every so often, if the bike behind you wants to go faster, let them pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post

    It must be pretty hard to control a bike whilst splitting that wouldn't handle well at all to start with? Mind you, it's all about image, innit?

    Yes, I ride a Kawasaki. And no, I have never clipped the wing mirror of another vehicle whilst splitting.

    I have been beside a car who had their wing mirror "clipped" by a retard on a bike as recently as this year. The mirror literally exploded and the biker simply tootled off into the sunset. That rider is a fuckwit of the highest order.
    ahhhh...........so let me get this right. Because I havent damaged any mirrors, you have to find a new way to try and justify your aggressive approach to me. The easiest is to try having a go at the type of bike I ride. Ok, if thats what makes your cock bigger. I might be a retard or poor at grammar, but you just proved that you lack any real substance. I think I might have just about had one of each,

    Suzuki
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    I know....theres a few missing but hey, they were all good bikes, and yeah I ride a Victory, and yeah I clipped a mirror....wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    Yep, that about sums it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
    ahhhh...........so let me get this right. Because I havent damaged any mirrors, you have to find a new way to try and justify your aggressive approach to me. The easiest is to try having a go at the type of bike I ride. Ok, if thats what makes your cock bigger. I might be a retard or poor at grammar, but you just proved that you lack any real substance.
    Actually, my question about your Victory motorcycle was directly linked to the subject matter being discussed. You see I figured there must be a reason why you have such trouble avoiding the mirrors of other vehicles and I guessed that it was probably either a severe case of retardation or possibly Victory ownership. You've just proved it's a combination of both.

    How do I know you haven't damaged any mirrors? In fact how do you know either? You have admitted to "clipping" a few but quite obviously haven't stopped to ascertain the damage caused. I guess the stopping wouldn't be good for your image, huh?

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