Lane splitting/filtering: the legal and commonsense answers

[swbarnett]

Cock up as much as you like but be it not at the expense or inconvenience of others.

By definition this is not always possible.

I believe that not only am I technically correct but also morally correct.

And therin lies the downfall of society as we know it. The very notion of a utopian society where noone gets hurt in any way and where humans are held to a automaton level of perfection is what will one day in the not too distant future bring us to ruin.

This is not so much about safety as much as respect

How about showing some respect for the rights of others to be human. I know only too well that the only way to avoid impacting others is to have never been born in the fist place. We exist, therefore we interact. Sometimes those interactions will not be positive. This is what it means to exist in an over-crowded world.

Selfish, selfish man.

I am not selfish in the slightest. I fight this fight so that others may have the freedom to learn and grow without self-important safety zealots stopping them from even trying.

[swbarnett]

If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?

The offending post....way too true for KB though mister.

Of course the lie to "the offending post" is put by the fact that we are not born with lane-splitting ability. Simple really.

[nerrrd]

Got stuck in the mental Auckland traffic last night, thought about lane-splitting and then thought about this thread...and didn't.

Cooked myself, the engine and possibly the clutch for about an hour and a half, but no car mirrors were harmed. Felt pretty stooopid, though - mind you given some of the crazy things the cars/buses/cyclists around me were doing, collecting a mirror might have been the least worst outcome if I had.

[Madness]

By definition this is not always possible. And therin lies the downfall of society as we know it. The very notion of a utopian society where noone gets hurt in any way and where humans are held to a automaton level of perfection is what will one day in the not too distant future bring us to ruin. How about showing some respect for the rights of others to be human. I know only too well that the only way to avoid impacting others is to have never been born in the fist place. We exist, therefore we interact. Sometimes those interactions will not be positive. This is what it means to exist in an over-crowded world. I am not selfish in the slightest. I fight this fight so that others may have the freedom to learn and grow without self-important safety zealots stopping them from even trying.

Do you wear a special outfit when you're posting this shit? I've come to the conclusion that your riding must be pretty ahabby if you accept colliding with other vehicles occasionally as a routine by-product of normal motorcycle riding. Not only must you be a pathetic rider, you're a fruit-loop to boot. I hope I never have the displeasure of bumping into you in traffic.

[swbarnett]

... you accept colliding with other vehicles occasionally as a routine by-product of normal motorcycle riding.

You've got quite a vivid imagination. Nowhere did I ever say that. I accept it as a very infrequent part of learning to ride a motorcycle.

[Katman]

I accept it as a very infrequent part of learning to ride a motorcycle.

It is also frequently a sign of a piss poor attitude towards other road users.

[swbarnett]

It is also frequently a sign of a piss poor attitude towards other road users.

You can have the best attitude in the world. You're still human and so are those around you.

[Katman]

You can have the best attitude in the world. You're still human and so are those around you.

What about the ones with the fucked attitude?

[swbarnett]

What about the ones with the fucked attitude?

One hopes that karma will visit them and mete out justice that fits the crime.

[Katman]

One hopes that karma will visit them and mete out justice that fits the crime.

And in the meantime the rest of us can just deal with the fallout.

[Subike]

I dont know if this will expand the conversation at all, or will be taken as just another shit post, I dont fucking care.

OK

My bike is in the shop, having a repair done to it, the shop has loant me an identical bike to use till mine is ready. Same year, model, tire size etc.
I lane split, filter, enjoy my ride home and to work every day, with no hassles, I understand my bike and it performs exactly how I want it to do. Filtering, splitting just happens. Have not clipped a mirror since riding this bike. ( have on previous bikes)
Now.
I have the "other " bike, I do not feel safe splitting on it, Filtering mmmm so so. It does not feel as secure on the road as my bike. it does not give me the confidence my bike does in its feedback . Yet its the same bloody bike. I clipped a mirror on the way home last night!!!
Why?
I have my own opinions...interested in the groups.

[Katman]

Could be something as little as different tyres.

[Subike]

Could be something as little as different tyres.

Good point, both bikes are fitted with the same tires, the loaner week before it was traded in @10k, now done 10350
my tires were fitted the same week, @15k, its now done 17560k....2000k difference?
Both bkes run the same tire pressures. I checked it before I took it out of the shop.
But I do understand your reasoning, fair point.

[scumdog]

What about the ones with the fucked attitude?

They're just being individuals...sorta like the 1%-ers of the road...

[paturoa]

Could be something as little as different tyres.

Or tyre pressure, or ferked steering head bearings, or sad fork springs. Bazillions of reasons why two identical not new bikes handle differently.