some people..

[danb]

For those who think Auckland is safe - take a walk around slum areas like Otara - I study there at mit I am getting quite concerned for my own saftey there now - Have been there 3 years now and I can see it getting worse over the time I have been there. People don’t care for there own lives let alone others. I do agree New Zealand is slowly becoming like South Africa. I have spoken to fallow South Africans and they agree to.
Most of it is to do with the parents and there attitudes - Most parents are to busy to care what there kids are up to which is understandable in today’s society. I say bring back the good old Kane and shed a few tears. The teachers of today’s world are to scared to do or say anything towards discipline a child in fear they will loose there job. What use is this? Just think of how the Animal world deals with young. (You may thinks this is absurd but I will leave you to think about it. The Animal world except Humans, has not changed anything to speak of at all but Humans have... WHY?)

[KLOWN]

For those who think Auckland is safe - take a walk around slum areas like Otara - I study there at mit I am getting quite concerned for my own saftey there now - Have been there 3 years now and I can see it getting worse over the time I have been there. People don’t care for there own lives let alone others. I do agree New Zealand is slowly becoming like South Africa. I have spoken to fallow South Africans and they agree to.
Most of it is to do with the parents and there attitudes - Most parents are to busy to care what there kids are up to which is understandable in today’s society. I say bring back the good old Kane and shed a few tears. The teachers of today’s world are to scared to do or say anything towards discipline a child in fear they will loose there job. What use is this? Just think of how the Animal world deals with young. (You may thinks this is absurd but I will leave you to think about it. The Animal world except Humans, has not changed anything to speak of at all but Humans have... WHY?)

Teachers aren't just worried about thier jobs, sometimes the student is biigger then them and you don't know what thier mates are like. Also the parents are shit heads too. (don't you speak like that to my kid etc)

[John]

What use is this? Just think of how the Animal world deals with young. (You may thinks this is absurd but I will leave you to think about it. The Animal world except Humans, has not changed anything to speak of at all but Humans have... WHY?)

um, maybe thousands of years of constant evolution.

[KLOWN]

I don't like arguing with women so all I will say is try not to let the bad things cloud you.....

Is that you don brash? I didn't know u had a bike. hehehe

[Karma]

The real problem is a lack of two things;

1. Education - This is not the teachers fault... it's everyones fault. Parents can teach their own kids but don't seem to want to (apart from Wolf who I've noted seems to be a great father / role model).
Would you for instance tolerate an increase in taxes to expand the schooling system.
For instance kids here have to buy their own books and pencils and shit, that's third world man, and what about the fact that NZ primarys do not teach history, or geography or art or music or anything that stands us apart from the animals. What about the fact that kids don't get proper meals from schools and therefore go all day without eating a hot meal (anyone here remember Jamies School Dinners from the UK??). What about the fact that they don't get any proper PE lessons, teaching anything other than running around a field... and how about sports other than rugby? tennis / football / anything. Take the all blacks out of the equision, what does this country excell at?

2. Kids don't want to learn. Period. What's the old saying, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Well there will always be some people that don't want to learn because it's easier not to, and they don't have the balls to do something if it's too hard.


Sounds like a rant I know... but in many ways this country is fuckin backwards... Labours going on about being ranked 5th in OECD this and that shit is crap. You have no free public health system, your schools are a joke, most people can't drive properly, food is way more expensive than it should be, and don't even get me started on the condition of some of the roads here!!!

The real shame is that this country could be so great if someone got off their ass... fired all the PC law-making wankers and get Kiwis moving into the 21st fucking century.

I'm off to register my name for the next MEP ballot!!

[John]

To put it simply weasel tried to say the following, but is yet to adapt kiwispeak, so here is the translation;

The real problem is a lack of two things;

1. Penis

2. 2xballs

[KLOWN]

I agree. I also want to add that ALOT of blame should be placed on parents. I knew alot of people where i worked who had kids when they were teenagers or early twenties and they don't teach thier kids respect. The mum or dad will tell the kids to do something and the children will say 'fuck off' or something similar and the parents think its funny or a joke then one day when the kid says this and the parents have had a bad day the child gets a hiding. He/she is so confused they have been taught it was ok to act like this then one day BAM and they don't know what they've done wrong. It's no wonder violence is becoming more prominant in todays society. Also it used to be ok if another parent/adult told your child off if they saw them doing something wrong, now you don;t want to incase the parent of that child get told about it and comes round to give you a hiding for treating thier child in like that. The reason why the child was told off in the first place get completly ignored and the kid get off scott free.

[froggyfrenchman]

Good on ya for stopping, i wouldnt have helped, too scared of being branded a rapist. What was i doin in the woman's dunny anyway you may ask? Its a secret

[SlashWylde]

For those who think Auckland is safe - take a walk around slum areas like Otara - I study there at mit I am getting quite concerned for my own saftey there now - Have been there 3 years now and I can see it getting worse over the time I have been there. People don’t care for there own lives let alone others. I do agree New Zealand is slowly becoming like South Africa. I have spoken to fallow South Africans and they agree to.
Most of it is to do with the parents and there attitudes - Most parents are to busy to care what there kids are up to which is understandable in today’s society. I say bring back the good old Kane and shed a few tears. The teachers of today’s world are to scared to do or say anything towards discipline a child in fear they will loose there job. What use is this? Just think of how the Animal world deals with young. (You may thinks this is absurd but I will leave you to think about it. The Animal world except Humans, has not changed anything to speak of at all but Humans have... WHY?)

I dunno. True there have been a lot of changes in our society over the last 10 or 20 years in terms of how people treat one another, and with the advent of P-related crimes the place is just that much scarier and more random, but I honestly don't think Otara or any of the other so-called lower socioeconomic areas of Auckland (can't speak for any other part of the country) are that dangerous.

I'm a white European, I lived the first 28 years of my life in Glen Innes and Pt England, supposedly two of the more dangerous suburbs in Auckland, largely populated by Maori and polynesians who are the ethnic groups us white folk are supposed to fear most right? Never had any troubles what so ever with people taking me on, trying to mug me etc.

Now I live in Eaqst Tamaki, just a short hop away from Otara, and I too go to MIT (Electronic Engineering BTW danb) I feel the same about the place as I did in Glen Innes and Pt England. There are a lot of people whom you feel you ought to fear because of what scociety and the media tell you but on the whole nothing ever happens.

Still, it pays to be prepared and stay casually on your guard. A bit of Karate or Kick Boxing training helps give you a measure of confidence and security.

[SlashWylde]

As a counter point to my last post in this thread, the one time I did have to go to full red alert was in a pub in Waihi - I think it was called the "Sterling". Me my sister and a female friend of hers shot over there from Thames on a Friday night to see 'Gary Harvey and the Night Owls' - a really cool southern blues/rock band. We each got ourselves a drink and parked ourselves up at a bench to watch the band.

Pretty soon a BIG Maori guy (big like over 120kg) came over and started babbling incomprehensibly to us in a very drunk but friendly way. OK, so we smiled and left him to it, but he wouldn't leave us in peace and then started trying to put his arm around my sister's friend so I went over to him and chatted in a friendly way and asked him to just move along. I shook his very large and strong hand and that was that.

A bit later one of the white locals leaned over to me and whispered in my ear "watch your money and drinks around that guy..." to which I said thanks.

We just kept a low profile, I diddn't want to cause a ruckus and take on this guy. You don't know how the locals are going to react if some skinny (I'm 71kg and 5'8") white city-boy comes into their town and starts up a fight. Could turn real nasty real quick if you miss-judge things - feckin front-page stuff.

Well, the drunk kept hanging around, but my friend the local would stop by occasionally to let me know he and his mates were keeping an eye on the dude and that they had my back - very good of them.

Eventually the drunk guy started being a real nuisance and wouldn't leave my sisters mate alone and was going too far, so I stepped up to him and firmly told him to move off and leave us alone. He wouldn't budge and tried to loom over me so I pushed him back, he pushed me and it was about to come to blows but the friendly locals stepped in and put themselves between us, then moved the drunk along.

Strange part was I wasn't the least bit scared 'cause I was sober and knew I could move much faster than him, and had judged the feeling in the bar correctly.

Was a very weird night for a few other reasons too, the whole vibe and attitude of the people in that place was completely different to what I'm used to. There was an edge to the atmosphere, the locals were hard-as, it felt dangerous, and I knew as soon as we stepped into the pub that we were out of place and diddn't belong - when people asked where we were from, I said Thames, as I'm sick of the predjudice the rest of the country seems to have against Aucklanders and diddn't feel like dealing wiht it.

BTW Good on ya Kittie, I'm a certified first-aid'er and I'd have gone straight to that girls aid if I saw the same thing happen. It's sad that Political Correctness would stop some men from helping out a semi-concious female for fear of false accusation.

[Pixie]

It's sad that Political Correctness would stop some men from helping out a semi-concious female for fear of false accusation.

Ah yes,PC is creating such a wonderful world

[kro]

Big thumbs up for helping out Kittie, its evident no other selfish bastard would have.

I found a little girl in the warehouse this morning, coincidentally, she got separated from her mum, and noone would help the poor child, she was only 4 ish, so I scooped her up, and settled her down, and we went looking for, and eventually found Mum, who was frantic her baby had been abducted (sad but true)

People just dont care anymore, they are either busy shopping, or driving somewhere, and wont deviate from their chosen path to alleviate someone elses grief. I'm a firm believer in the saying "charity begins at home", which I dont always intrpret in the literal sense, but refer to home as "NZ".

[SPman]

and I knew as soon as we stepped into the pub that we were out of place and diddn't belong - when people asked where we were from, I said Thames, as I'm sick of the predjudice the rest of the country seems to have against Aucklanders and diddn't feel like dealing wiht it.

Know what you mean.When we lived in the South Island and on the West Coast, when we were asked where we were from - it was always - Motukarara, or Tai Tapu, or somewhere. Mention Auckland and it was almost an incentive for a riot!
I think a lot of the attitude you get back at you, is the attitude you project.Whilst, you can never garantee exactly how someone will react, if you project a freindly, helpful attitude, its amazing how oftenyou get it returned, from any ethnic group. Ive had no trouble, but, saying that, it does pay to be aware of when a situation could get out of control - not be totally naive.
I have a cousin in the Whangarei police and, the things she sees at night..five yr old kids wandering the streets at 3 in the morning......parents have got a LOT to answer for....

[NotaGoth]

I have a cousin in the Whangarei police and, the things she sees at night..five yr old kids wandering the streets at 3 in the morning......parents have got a LOT to answer for....

8 year old girls in mini skirts and boobs tubes hanging out with much much older guys. Happens in Whangarei, and Kerikeri is now just as bad.

[NotaGoth]

Big thumbs up for helping out Kittie, its evident no other selfish bastard would have.

I found a little girl in the warehouse this morning, coincidentally, she got separated from her mum, and noone would help the poor child, she was only 4 ish, so I scooped her up, and settled her down, and we went looking for, and eventually found Mum, who was frantic her baby had been abducted (sad but true)

People just dont care anymore, they are either busy shopping, or driving somewhere, and wont deviate from their chosen path to alleviate someone elses grief. I'm a firm believer in the saying "charity begins at home", which I dont always intrpret in the literal sense, but refer to home as "NZ".

Little kids hate me, and I hate them. Harsh but true. But if I found one like that I'd still have the heart to help them find their mummy. Who knows you could ignore them and next thing you know they actually do end up being abducted.

It is true though that not many people will not go out of their way to help to help someone, specially if it is going to interfer with their day.