Campaign aims to dispel bad Asian drivers myth

[myvice]

Foreign drivers aren’t to blame for the accidents that they are involved in!
Its perfectly acceptable to do a U-turn on a one way road, and backing out of your drive at 90k's an hour is standard practice...
The "pulling over to your left then swinging into a drive on the right side of the road without even realising you car has indicators or mirrors" technique will be in the revised road code so you better study up!

[Skyryder]

Ther's no contradiction in the roundabout rules either.

Yes there is. On a normal intersection if you are going straight through you are not required to use the indicator.

On a roundabout intersection if you are going straight through you are required to use an indicator.

Now if that's not a contradiction I don't know what is.

Skyryder

[myvice]

Indicators? We don’t need no stinking indicators!

[Lou Girardin]

Mmmm, actually checking that it is safe to move?? Agree you need to indicate but you still have to makes sure it is safe to move...indicating does not give you the right to just pull out....

Look at the Road Code pages on roundabouts with lanes which does not make sense with 12 o'clock rule...

You're talking about different things here, where does the road code say "indicate and pull out"?

[Lou Girardin]

Just happen to be interested in the numbers, so could someone please tell me how many of them actually pay AA testers to pass the license test?

Anyone also happen to have the total number of Asian drivers in NZ?

It was around 100 that they traced.

[Lou Girardin]

Yes there is. On a normal intersection if you are going straight through you are not required to use the indicator.

On a roundabout intersection if you are going straight through you are required to use an indicator.

Now if that's not a contradiction I don't know what is.

Skyryder

They are two different intersections. One is a ROUNDABOUT, it has different rules because the layout is different.
Simple really.

[Marmoot]

It was around 100 that they traced.

so, the proportion to total number of Asian drivers in New Zealand would be....?

[Lou Girardin]

so, the proportion to total number of Asian drivers in New Zealand would be....?

Very small.
But what is not said, are the number driving on false o'seas licences and the number that don't bother with a licence at all. We'll never know these numbers because there are no processes in place to identify them.
For all LTNZ's blathering about road safety, they are remarkably casual about driver training and licencing.

[Marmoot]

the number that don't bother with a licence at all.

And that is exclusive to Asians? or 95% Asians? Any decent statistics here? Or simply general assumptions without supporting numbers (which may as well be off. perhaps there is a silent majority that are not normally reported because they are 'simply normal' and not suitable for selling newspaper or political issues?)

On top of that, I fail to see the justification for the 'very small' number as indicated in Lou's post being mentioned as the major argument everytime this debate comes up.

[Hitcher]

One of the reasons behind the LTNZ-inspired CBTA license programme was to get unlicensed bikers licensed. Apparently there are "heaps" (rounded to the nearest whole integer) of unlicensed bikers.

[Biff]

Here in good old GodZone Im afraid that us true NZ born 'Kiwis' [both pakeha & maori] are fast becoming a minority, just take a stroll round Christchurch or worse yet Auckland, & which ethnic majority/s do you see everywhere...........ASIANS, albeit koreans,chinese, japanese, cambodian thai etc etc and an ever increasing amount of fijians,samoans,iraquis etc etc. We are now more, than ever before ,a multi cultural society.
[Bugger, I forgot the point I was trying to make goes away to think]

Bloody brilliant isn't it. I love diverse societies.


Anyhoo - back to the topic in hand - Yes, on the whole, in general (yes - I admit to generalising), 'Asians' (although it depends which country they're originaly from) are even worse drivers than Kiwi's IMO.

Why? Just take a look at the nations that they hail from (as per OAB's comments) and the big cities that they (in general) learnt to drive in. In China people generally ignore traffic lights and very rarely use their indicators. The driving standard there is appalling, and there is very little by the way of traffic law enforcement there (but heaven forbid you accuse the govt of incompetency). But they (the drivers) cope with traffic volumes several times that which we experience here. In Malaysia and Korea the driving standard is somewhat better, and possibly on a par with NZ drivers.

The only 'open' country in Asia I haven't travelled to over the last 2 years is Japan. So I like to think I'm experienced in witnessing the driving standards in many Asian countries. Although I admit to never have driven anywhere in Asia myself. I'm not brave enough!

But spend some time here driving, then travel around Europe. You'll soon see how crap NZ drivers are compared to the majority of the 'developed' western world. And I include some Asian countries.

It's kinda amusing seeing how irate some people here get with Asian drivers, considering your pretty crap yourself.

(Biff ducks and large objects and insults are hurled at him for telling the truth as he sees it).

My head hurts. Apart from seeing why several people failed to pass .. English.

You should always walk a mile in sombody else's shoes.

What's it like to be almost perfect ?

[Lou Girardin]

One of the reasons behind the LTNZ-inspired CBTA license programme was to get unlicensed bikers licensed. Apparently there are "heaps" (rounded to the nearest whole integer) of unlicensed bikers.

One reason for which was the LTNZ 'loosing' hundreds of old bike licences when they changed to photo licences.

[Fart]

Take a trip around Europe, especially Italy. By the sound of things, most in here have not travelled much. Goes to show the ignorance.

[Skyryder]

They are two different intersections. One is a ROUNDABOUT, it has different rules because the layout is different.
Simple really.

Yes it is simple. Both are intersections. And both have different rules as to the use of indicators. Layout is only to expedite traffic flow.

But your original post states that there are no contradictions and now you say they have different rules due to layout. Which is exactly my pont.



Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

Yes it is simple. Both are intersections. And both have different rules as to the use of indicators. Layout is only to expedite traffic flow.



But your original post states that there are no contradictions and now you say they have different rules due to layout. Which is exactly my pont.
Skyryder

I can't believe you were a professional driver. Take a look at the Panmure or Royal Oak roundabouts and then tell me that X intersection rules will work.
All this smacks of justifying why people are too lazy to drive properly.