tookie williams

[sels1]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, FONT]

and holds back the advancement of civilised society. Capital punishment has never worked, they have tried it for thousands of years. I am glad to live in one of the more advanced countries, like most European countries, that have realised this and moved on.

[In The Breeze]

if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away!

Agreed. They could of saved over a million in keeping the piece of crap around. Not as if he stole some chewing gum,he was a MURDERER and as mentioned before I bet he had done a lot more than what is known about.
Exacuting(sp) people isnt nice eh? Maybe he should of thought of the first. He wont do that again eh

[Colapop]

The death penalty as a deterrent needs to be adminstered in an appropriate time frame. The Chinese 'justice' system has a van/hearse that travels from court to court adminstering the lethal injection within 15 mins of the sentence being pronounced. Is the death penalty in China a deterrent? Is that an appropriate time frame? There are cultural and political differences that can be cited in this situation but the question of timeframe vs deterrent is still valid.
Is the Death penalty right or wrong? Some points to note; Is the convict likely to re-offend ie. kill more people? Are the families/people affected by the death (of the victim) going to be appeased by the death of the convict? Is it the death penalty the same thing as sanctioned murder?
The question of justice will be debated for a long time to come, and there are many questions that have not been asked here that have a bearing on the answer. My personal view is that the death penalty is an inefectual effort to reduce the (prison) population.

[Posh Tourer :P]

if this tookie had been the leader of the 'Crips' he would have been involved in a lot more than just the deaths he was convicted of. its all the do-good PC pricks that cause the duration of time from the conviction through to the termination of life (if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away!).
plus he got the easy way out (injection) not like his victims!
if someone takes the life of another person for their own gain, its wrong!, it isn't because they had a harsh childhood or were mistreated, it isn't because they've got mental issues. No-one inflicts violence on another without having made a judgement call, its the most primitive of human nature making that decision, it isn't done blindly its a moralistic judgement that stems from our core.

Firstly, read below re: hypocrisy. Secondly, you can´t, on the same principle, kill someone because you think they must have done something. Only do it on evidence.

Lastly, right and wrong are not absolute. They are constructs of society. Thus it was right, for instance, for cannibalism to occur until the rest of society swallowed up those cultures...
So, mistreatment in the formative years can cause a distorted perception of right and wrong. it is a judgement call, but it is made on different ideas of right and wrong..... It might still stem from our core, but that core is moulded by society....

[Postie]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

what a fuckin retard, there have been plenty of white people executed and there are plenty left on death row, his sentence isn't decided on his skin colour, its decided on his crime, if he was a 70 year old white american who had a normal life but went on a killing spree, asuming he did get left off on a lighter sentance due to insanity or some shit, then he would ge the death penalty. its that fucking attitude that causes racial riots around the world, open your eyes, you might just learn something.......

[sels1]

[QUOTE=scumdog]No problem with that philosophy - as long as the "anti-death sentence' types are prepared to pay for the losers existence.
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Yep, dont mind, thats what we pay taxes for - its the cost of living in a civilised society. (And dont mind contributing to your pay either SD )

What I dont want is the Govt taking my money to use for killing people "on my behalf"

[In The Breeze]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

Im pretty sure some white guy just got exacuted recently over there. As in within the last week. Could be wrong but dont think so.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

I believe that is the case....

[Colapop]

Im pretty sure some white guy just got executed recently over there. As in within the last week. Could be wrong but dont think so.

Yep he was the 1000th person in the 'States to be executed. But only the 11th since California has had the death penalty (1972). There are currently 640 inmates on death row in California. That's a long row.
Does sentencing someone to death row mean a true life sentence since more people die from old age than execution on death row?

[Timetogo]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

Are you saying that white people don't get executed.... bollocks

[Posh Tourer :P]

My personal view is that the death penalty is an inefectual effort to reduce the (prison) population.

Yes, true

I agree with the death penalty in theory, but the practice to get the right safeguards in place, with the current legal system, means it isnt workable......

[WINJA]

Lock em up, forget to feed them, they die of natural causes don't they.

I AGREE DEATH BY NEGLECT IS BETTER THAN PUTTING A NEEDLE IN THEM , ITS MORE PAINFULL TOO, IF HE WAS PUT IN A CELL WITH NO FOOD OR WATER OR TOILET HED DIE WITHEN 2 WEEKS IN HIS OWN FILTH , THIS FUCKER IS AN ANIMAL , ACTUALLY WORSE THAN AN ANIMAL

[John]

I AGREE DEATH BY NEGLECT IS BETTER THAN PUTTING A NEEDLE IN THEM , ITS MORE PAINFULL TOO, IF HE WAS PUT IN A CELL WITH NO FOOD OR WATER OR TOILET HED DIE WITHEN 2 WEEKS IN HIS OWN FILTH , THIS FUCKER IS AN ANIMAL , ACTUALLY WORSE THAN AN ANIMAL

I see your bloods to?..

hahaha

[MisterD]

what a fuckin retard, there have been plenty of white people executed and there are plenty left on death row, his sentence isn't decided on his skin colour, its decided on his crime, if he was a 70 year old white american who had a normal life but went on a killing spree, asuming he did get left off on a lighter sentance due to insanity or some shit, then he would ge the death penalty. its that fucking attitude that causes racial riots around the world, open your eyes, you might just learn something.......

Tell you what, why don't you go away and read "Dead Man Walking" then come back and talk to me then? If you look at the death penalty stats in the US, there is a huge mismatch between the way whites and blacks are treated. If you're young, black and male, you're screwed....

[John]

Tell you what, why don't you go away and read "Dead Man Walking" then come back and talk to me then? If you look at the death penalty stats in the US, there is a huge mismatch between the way whites and blacks are treated. If you're young, black and male, you're screwed....

are you black?

nah? - oh your all good then....