tookie williams

[WINJA]

Tookie was not the same man that he was when he first entered jail. He had always known a life of gangs and violence, that was his life and all he knew. However during his 6 years in solitary for the first time ever, he had peace and solitude, no violence and no demands made on him. He had time to think and time to learn and learn he did. His books have raised money for numerous non profit agencies and he has swayed teens away from ganglife, including his own son. After 24 years on death row, he had a voice that should have been heard, not silenced.

He was also convicted on some pretty lightweight evidence too.

HE FORMED ONE OF THE MOST VIOLENT STREET GANGS IN THE WORLD , HE GETS NO SYMPATHY FROM ME ON THAT BASIS ALONE

[roks]

Actually the Crips had been going for years before Tookie came along. It's sad when people remember someone only for the bad things they did, and never the good. And this happened more than quarter of a century ago and he was nominated 4 times for the the nobel Peace prize.

Heres an interesting site if you want to go read www.tookie.com

[kro]

if someone hurts or kill my wife I will hunt the fucker down and kill him very slowly I will spread his pain over a few days if not months I will hurt him so bad that if there is a thing like reincarnation he will still be hurting when he comes back as something/someone else. And I am sure that i am not the only one that feels that way.

Public opinion sways a mans publicly spoken words, but here is a man who is willing to say what he means, and I too would take this course of action if the same situation ensued.

As for the whole death penalty thing, I think it the only way to deal with some of our sociopathic types. I think it is a deterrent if done right away, but because its not always done immdeiately, its not an immediate threat to criims, so they commit crimes anyway, without thinking of the end result.

[WINJA]

Actually the Crips had been going for years before Tookie came along. It's sad when people remember someone only for the bad things they did, and never the good. And this happened more than quarter of a century ago and he was nominated 4 times for the the nobel Peace prize.

Heres an interesting site if you want to go read www.tookie.com

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING. I THINK HE ONLY DID THE GOOD THINGS CAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT AND HE KNEW HE WAS FUCKED AND HE WOULD LIE AND DECIEVE TO GET OFF DEATH ROW .
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR HIM , JUST LIKE I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR ANY GANG MEMBERS , THE MORE OF THEM THAT ARE PUT OUTTA ACTION THE BETTER

[SPman]

Quite frankly, the whole scenario of capital punishment makes me feel sick.
Just hand them over to the victims families - let them decide and carry out any punishment, retribution, whatever, they feel necesary - not the whole ritualistic, barbaric, human sacrifice scenario all these events become!

[Karma]

Quite frankly, the whole scenario of capital punishment makes me feel sick.
Just hand them over to the victims families - let them decide and carry out any punishment, retribution, whatever, they feel necesary - not the whole ritualistic, barbaric, human sacrifice scenario all these events become!

Now that just won't work.

You may want the guy to die for what he's done, but who here could honestly pull the trigger themselves?

I've always felt that the act of killing someone takes away a part of the killers soul, whether that killing was legal or not.

It's not an easy answer... only those that have been affected by this guys murders can judge him.

[roks]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING. I THINK HE ONLY DID THE GOOD THINGS CAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT AND HE KNEW HE WAS FUCKED AND HE WOULD LIE AND DECIEVE TO GET OFF DEATH ROW .
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR HIM , JUST LIKE I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR ANY GANG MEMBERS , THE MORE OF THEM THAT ARE PUT OUTTA ACTION THE BETTER

After 26 years?? I would certainly hope so. Taking the life of one person does not bring back the lives of the others taken, and as I said he was convicted on some very shabby evidence. Go read the website, and read the affidavit sworn in October this year.

[Indiana_Jones]

that prick had it too good, hang 'em f*cking high

-Indy

[WINJA]

that prick had it too good, hang 'em f*cking high

-Indy

BUT NOT SO HIGH THAT YOU CANT REACH HIS COCK ,AYE YA LITTLE SAUSAGE HIDER

[Hitcher]

Personally his death made me feel hollow, feeling a lot more like revenge than rehabilitation.

All capital punishment is about revenge. It is barbaric and should not be condoned by a civilised and enlightened society. It does not act as a deterent for murder or any other crimes that carry a death penalty.

[Hitcher]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING.

If this is your answer, then dispense with a justice system and allow mob rule. Round up a posse and organise yo self a hangin...

If a convicted killer is detained so they are no longer a danger to others and have their liberty and pursuit of happiness sufficiently curtailed, what useful purpose does killing them serve, other than providing revenge?

[WINJA]

If this is your answer, then dispense with a justice system and allow mob rule. Round up a posse and organise yo self a hangin...

If a convicted killer is detained so they are no longer a danger to others and have their liberty and pursuit of happiness sufficiently curtailed, what useful purpose does killing them serve, other than providing revenge?

REVENGE IS GOOD , I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TOOKIES LIFE OR HIS RIGHTS .

[Lou Girardin]

The real founder of the crips was a guy named Washington - shot dead in '79.
If Williams books have earned so much for anti-gang groups, why are the publishers so reticent over numbers sold?

BTW I would have no compunction about execution for the two skinheads who have just killed the woman in ChCh. If what has been reported is true.

[ManDownUnder]

IF HE KILLED YOUR MUM ,DAD OR OTHER CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER WOULD YOU BE SO FORGIVING.

No - which is why I wouldn't be able to give the guy a fair trial.

Picture this, you hate someone - everyone knows it and you've made no secret of it. You've been mouthing off for years that the guy's a complete prick, a waste of good air.

You're going past his place one day and see him trapped under a tree/dead. He's still warm and you do the decent thing and call the cops and the ambos, and wait till they get there. Rumours inevitably start that you did it, then called the services to make it look like you were innocent, etc...

The judge on the case in this guys Dad... and he's never liked you anyway...

Would you be ok with that?

Yeah it's a long shot but I'm willing to be there are stranger things that have happened.

IF you've got an emotional involvement with a case you shouldn't be entitled to decide the outcome or the punishment. You've got every right to have your say, on what you think should happen but yours should not be the deciding voice.

Justice is hard enough to come by now - it would be nigh on impossible if we had "Trial by victim"

[Pixie]

I'm all for the death penalty. Rules are rules which we all have to live by and those that chose not to have to pay the price. I read somewhere that it costs $87,000 a year to keep someone in prison. Now how do you all feel paying some murderers living expenses for the next 50 years? To me if someone commits a crime that earns a death sentence then they deserve everything they get.

Its just PC gone mad with all the tree hugging hippies out waving their ribbons so they can sleep better at night because they are soft and living in a fantasy world.

Sure its not the ideal solution but neither is imprisoning someone for life at the taxpayers expense. Hopefully one day science fiction will provide a more economic and ethical answer to dealing with crims i.e. Cryogenic freezing (ala Demolition Man), instant aging (Twilight Zone?), brain reprogramming or even global spy camera coverage, foresight (Minority Report) or time travel (TimeCop) to discourage crime?

The death penalty in the US always costs many times that of a life sentence.