Special treatment for Maori.

[Jackrat]

Just got finished reading the NZ Herald,Big articule on this subject.
All the opinions exspressed were from Maori people.
Every thing from "We own this country and the whites should get used to it"
That came from a pig ugly fuck with a flat nose and white skin,To,"there are people in NZ that need special treatment and help,not all of them are Maori"
This from a dark skinned woman with Moko.Two extremes there!!
Then we get Tariana Turea saying all immigrants in NZ should go back were they came from.I guess she would need a time frame for that one huh!!
The whole thing for me has always been one of interest because of my own family history.Now we have a few dark horses in the old line up but basicly we are of Irish- Pah hau Nga Puhi ancestory.My older sister used the old Maori affairs to get a huge loan to buy a farm.At the time and still today I felt it was not the thing to do.After all she was a rich bitch to start with,And She don't atend the family Hui each five years because she don't like those people.So I look around me and I see The local Maori people geting handouts,Yet other than the old folks now driving new Mercedes and Holdens,The young people still get the same old FA.There is the SEA LORDS thing going on but other than the fat cats geting new office furnishings,flash cars,ect,ect, where is the money? I sure as hell Don't see it.And why is it that so many of the so called Maori making all the noise are whiter than me.
And why is it that the treaty is crap one day an then the best thing since sliced bread the next.If Maori kids are still geting FA from all this speical treatment,Where is the money really going.Is it all being spent on fat white women with a splash of Maori,Is it all going toward New cars for a few old fucks that were past their use by date fifty years ago.
So what the fuck is really going on in this country when half of it is for sale to rich Yanks and the bits left over are under constant attack by Money,Money,Money Grabing white Maoris.Do real Maori people get anything out of this,Do real New zealanders get anything out of it.Are there any real Maori people left in NZ,are there any real New Zealanders left in NZ.Hell it seems to me that most of both now live in Queensland and call each other Bro.
So whats your view on it.
And Hey Wickid I promise not to take offence unless you tell me to fuck off.
There that should get the ball rolling

[Motu]

This is a hot potatoe subject alright Jack and I'm reluctant to get into it,but might come back later with some other thoughts - you are lucky to be in both camps,you can speak your mind without someone jumping on your back,well,y'know what I mean.

About who is getting the money,yeah I've seen it too - we had a scheme operating in our area for Maori kids from the courts,go to jail or come here and work for a living,learn about your culture,it was actualy quite good,the boys were good fun,didn't shit in their own nest,everyone got on ok.

But the elder who ran the scheme? he had a Z car,XJ750,new Goldwing,2 big garages on his property and not a blade of grass,all concrete.The old boy did alright.

[SPman]

Kai Tahu are doing OK in the South Island - but then they"ve got a Scots- Maori running things

Seems to me that a lot of the real things being done to help young maori, are being done by community members who really care about things, and do it off their own backs, then struggle to get money to keep going! When the big bucks are out there, for whatever cause, it seems to attract all the greedy, posturing, big noting,self important pricks, who are more interested in lining their own pockets, than actually bettering the lives of anyone other than themselves!

But, has it ever been otherwise?

[wkid_one]

Just got finished reading the NZ Herald,Big articule on this subject.
All the opinions exspressed were from Maori people.
Every thing from "We own this country and the whites should get used to it"
That came from a pig ugly fuck with a flat nose and white skin,To,"there are people in NZ that need special treatment and help,not all of them are Maori"
This from a dark skinned woman with Moko.Two extremes there!!
Then we get Tariana Turea saying all immigrants in NZ should go back were they came from.I guess she would need a time frame for that one huh!!
The whole thing for me has always been one of interest because of my own family history.Now we have a few dark horses in the old line up but basicly we are of Irish- Pah hau Nga Puhi ancestory.My older sister used the old Maori affairs to get a huge loan to buy a farm.At the time and still today I felt it was not the thing to do.After all she was a rich bitch to start with,And She don't atend the family Hui each five years because she don't like those people.So I look around me and I see The local Maori people geting handouts,Yet other than the old folks now driving new Mercedes and Holdens,The young people still get the same old FA.There is the SEA LORDS thing going on but other than the fat cats geting new office furnishings,flash cars,ect,ect, where is the money? I sure as hell Don't see it.And why is it that so many of the so called Maori making all the noise are whiter than me.
And why is it that the treaty is crap one day an then the best thing since sliced bread the next.If Maori kids are still geting FA from all this speical treatment,Where is the money really going.Is it all being spent on fat white women with a splash of Maori,Is it all going toward New cars for a few old fucks that were past their use by date fifty years ago.
So what the fuck is really going on in this country when half of it is for sale to rich Yanks and the bits left over are under constant attack by Money,Money,Money Grabing white Maoris.Do real Maori people get anything out of this,Do real New zealanders get anything out of it.Are there any real Maori people left in NZ,are there any real New Zealanders left in NZ.Hell it seems to me that most of both now live in Queensland and call each other Bro.
So whats your view on it.
And Hey Wickid I promise not to take offence unless you tell me to fuck off.
There that should get the ball rolling

Actually I agree 100%.

A prime example is the fishing rights up to 200miles offshore.....now I question the ability of the original inhabitants of this island to paddle 200 miles offshore in a hollowed out tree for some kai??

Also - take Athletic Park. They whinge and moan for years about the peppercorn lease that the Government signed for this peice of land about it being sacred land and them wanting it back. So finally the Government relents (not unusual) and gives it back to them. What do they do? Sell it to a developer who turns it in to a retirement village. Not only that - a predominantly pakeha occupancy also.

For all the whinging and moaning they undertake - they don't appear to be doing anything with the spoils of victory to better the country, maori - it only appears to be a certain limited number of fat cats who get fatter.

They have just 'OCCUPIED' Glover Park in Wellington - big fences around it atc - for what? Most likely so they can sell it to a Property Developer who can put $900,000 apartments on it - because that is helping their cause no end.

When the Europeans came across - they should have conquered NZ - not bargained - then this wouldn't be an issue.

And please don't get me wrong - I am not a bigot - I just hate seeing race always being used as a political tool to further the wealth of a selected few on the back of an 'impoverished many'

[What?]

- I am not a bigot - I just hate seeing race always being used as a political tool to further the wealth of a selected few on the back of an 'impoverished many'

Sez it all, Dan. Just like 99% of Kiwis, I should think.

[Hitcher]

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[Jackrat]

Yep ,It's a worry.
The thing that bothers me the most is the future.
We have Don brash playing on the emotions of the average joe,to gain political clout,We have Tariana turia making historicly incorrect statements(lies) to serve her own ends,what ever they are,We have Dover Samuals pretending to represent northland Maori,My own crowd!!!,While selling family land and pocketing the profits with out telling anybody,Then we have Winson Peters,Will screw anybody any time for any reason,As long as he don't have to prove it and as long as he has the protection of the house.
Then we have Helen Clarke,If I don't like you I will insult you, your family,
your cat,dog,And still never get to the point other than to say once again I don't give a shit what you think,And I can do that cause I'm the boss,But no way will I answer your Question.
And WE the voting public of NZ Still vote for these assholes,Then spend the next three years bitching about it,until we do it all over again.
At 47 I think I have probably seen the best years of NZ, now I feel very happy I encoraged my own dauther to stay in OZ and I worry for the future of todays kids.For them to walk the places I did twenty years ago they now need the OK from the American land owners.For my dauthers kids to play in the same places I did as a kid they now have to claim and prove their Whakapapa.The leaders of this country and us by default are fucking the place.New Zealand a Walt disney production,Nice place to vist but fuck living there.
This weather sucks too.

[Lou Girardin]

Do part Maori people get confused?
Aggrieved and guilty at the same time.

Seriously though, Don Brash only opened the floodgates for what people were already thinking. It's the old pendulum thing happening. It swung too far one way, now it's heading back. I hope it doesn't go too far back though, then we'll have real trouble.
Lou

[MikeL]

The thing that bothers me the most is the future.

This weather sucks too.

Yep. The wind just blew over my bike. Will it happen again?

But to turn to less serious matters, the bickering going on between Maori and Pakeha will stop when both sides realize that if any of us are to have a decent future in this country, we must unite against the common enemy: the combined threat of globalization, indiscriminate immigration and the piecemeal selling off of this country to foreigners, all of which will surely destroy the NZ way of life if allowed to continue. Squabbles over special treatment, past and present injustices, Treaty of Waitangi etc. will prevent us seeing the real issues. Brown or white, we have more in common than separates us, and collectively we all have too much to lose to waste our energies on fighting each other.

And perhaps this atrocious weather is not such a bad thing, if makes the country a bit less attractive to the American millionnaires lining up to buy our coastline piece by piece for their luxury homes, gated compounds and private beaches.

[Jackrat]

Gee if I was smart thats what I would'a said,Ummm I fink

[Jackrat]

Do part Maori people get confused?
Aggrieved and guilty at the same time.

Seriously though, Don Brash only opened the floodgates for what people were already thinking. It's the old pendulum thing happening. It swung too far one way, now it's heading back. I hope it doesn't go too far back though, then we'll have real trouble.
Lou

As I see them,Some decide they didn't really have white ancestors,Some decide they didn't really have Maori ancestors,Some are kept in the dark by their own familys, and some just get REAL pissed off.
I have all of them within my own family and I am #4, Like a hell of a lot of others who just want to get on with it, yet have to listen to both sides of a silly argument that we take no part in and receive nothing from.
And your right Lou,this weather really does suck.

[Jackrat]

Do part Maori people get confused?
Aggrieved and guilty at the same time.

Seriously though, Don Brash only opened the floodgates for what people were already thinking. It's the old pendulum thing happening. It swung too far one way, now it's heading back. I hope it doesn't go too far back though, then we'll have real trouble.
Lou

As I see them,Some decide they didn't really have white ancestors,Some decide they didn't really have Maori ancestors,Some are kept in the dark by their own familys, and some just get REAL pissed off.
I have all of them within my own family and I am #4, Like a hell of a lot of others who just want to get on with it, yet have to listen to both sides of a silly argument that we take no part in and receive nothing from.
I myself find the American Native situation very interesting and think if it was applyed in NZ things would change over night.
Their system is very simple,To be entitled to any native claims or speak on behalf of native peoples you must be at lest 50% native blood.Under that system most of the liars and con artists in NZ would be left without a leg to stand on.Hell two thirds of the NZ political system would fall on it's face over night.Nah never work aye,us Kiwis have been playing the us an them game for way to long to let honesty get in the way of a good yarn.
Interesting to see what the next election brings but.Me thinks helen is buggered.

[SPman]

But to turn to less serious matters, the bickering going on between Maori and Pakeha will stop when both sides realize that if any of us are to have a decent future in this country, we must unite against the common enemy: the combined threat of globalization, indiscriminate immigration and the piecemeal selling off of this country to foreigners, all of which will surely destroy the NZ way of life if allowed to continue. Squabbles over special treatment, past and present injustices, Treaty of Waitangi etc. will prevent us seeing the real issues. Brown or white, we have more in common than separates us, and collectively we all have too much to lose to waste our energies on fighting each other.
.

Gordon McLaughlan had another reasoned reasonable piece in the herald today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...ction=dialogue
for those of you who dont get it.

Whats wrong with the weather - been for 2 long walks in it today already. Just crap for bikes is all!

[bondagebunny]

is that the Maoris who are making a buck out of the shit, convince their own people further down the food chain that they are victims of the white imperialist invasion.
Because with out victims they wont have a job.

there should be a cut off point ie 50% Maori or 25% Maori to get any benefit or perhaps a sliding scale on the the ammount of Maori blood ie a 64th gets a 64th of any benefits, that would make it not worth while for most.

But instead we have leading politicians telling people the only thing you need to be a maori is to feel that when you look in a mirror there is a maori looking back at you.

[Nouseforaname]

When they give me back my muskets and blankets that some relative of mine 100years ago that ive never ever ever met gave to them, then, and only then will i contemplate giving them back my land!

Cant we all just be friends? ill bring the cards and you bring the boil-up.