tookie williams

[SixPackBack]

For those of you that follow current events I wondered what your views are on the execution of Tookie Williams.
Leader of the 'Crips' and convicted of multiple murders Tookie was executed after over 20 years on death row, during this time he turned his life around and became an author, speaking out against violence. Tookie denied the charges against him.
Personally his death made me feel hollow, feeling a lot more like revenge than rehabilitation.

[SimJen]

Its funny what people will do to avoid the death penalty.
So what if he turned his life around, try telling that to the victims and their families.
Being "innocent" is what all criminals say they are.
I have turned my life around by making the decision not to kill people!!!

[John]

that'll teach that crips bitch, bloods biatch represent.

People go abit crazy on death row, I think mr crips did that to, and the reason for execution was revenge anyway, it was never going to change, thats all "justice" is revenge, unjust or not...

[Lou Girardin]

I'm disgusted with the delay of 24 years, but I don't have a problem with the sentence. He executed a shop owner who was lying face down on the floor. Then killed a family he'd robbed. He also boasted about how the shop owner gurgled as he died.
As far as the anti-gang work he's done. apparently it consists of writing a couple of books of which the publishers refuse to say how many have sold.
Most of the LA gang members don't have a clue who he is.
It smacks very much of a play for sympathy, like all these murderers who are 'born again' while on death row.

[judgeshock]

The law is clear cut, he knew it. I think if we all had nothing better to do than sit in a cage, we also could make some astounding changes.
We all do silly things when we are younger, but I never managed or felt the need to go on a killing spree.
We don't know the evidence in this case to make a clear cut decision. As Arnie said, no apology no redemption. (or something along those lines).

[skelstar]

Dont believe what you hear in the media. I know its cliche but they will spin a story to sell a story.

[SimJen]

The 24 year delay, is because of all the bitching and moaning protesters and the media make. People who don't want to know about the crimes.

[Bartman10]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.

[T.W.R]

if this tookie had been the leader of the 'Crips' he would have been involved in a lot more than just the deaths he was convicted of. its all the do-good PC pricks that cause the duration of time from the conviction through to the termination of life (if someone gets a death penalty it should be carried out straight away!).
plus he got the easy way out (injection) not like his victims!
if someone takes the life of another person for their own gain, its wrong!, it isn't because they had a harsh childhood or were mistreated, it isn't because they've got mental issues. No-one inflicts violence on another without having made a judgement call, its the most primitive of human nature making that decision, it isn't done blindly its a moralistic judgement that stems from our core.

if a criminal is sentenced to death then do there & then, exactly the same treatment they gave their victims! a murderer doesn't meet their victim & warn them their going to kill them in 20yrs time.

[chris]

The 24 year delay, is because of all the bitching and moaning protesters and the media make.

Isn't it more to do with the appeal process?

[SixPackBack]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.

I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, nothing wrong with locking them up permanently.
Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

[MisterD]

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that if he'd be white he wouldn't have been executed.....

[Posh Tourer :P]

I disagree with the death penalty. Killing people as a deterrent to prevent other people killing is hypocritical, especially if it takes 24 years to administer the punishment.

However, criminals are usually pretty good at killing each other, especially ones associated with gangs. Maybe they should have let him out on parole all those years ago into a 'bloods' neighbourhood.

It is hypocritical, but only in a prima facie view....The 24 years is to protect against hypocrisy as much as possible, by trying to get ultimate legal certainty.
As for hypocrisy...... letting criminals administer justice??

[scumdog]

I agree, killing criminals takes us down to their level, nothing wrong with locking them up permanently.
Also I believe with multiple appeals the expense of execution out weighs life imprisonment. Read that somewhere, could stand corrected on that one.

No problem with that philosophy - as long as the "anti-death sentence' types are prepared to pay for the losers existence.

Me? Just hang the waster.

Tookie shoulda thought about doing good first instead of murder/robbery etc then he wouldn't be dead.

[Sniper]

Lock em up, forget to feed them, they die of natural causes don't they.