Mind altering drugs... rant

[Grahameeboy]

The fact is is that they will screw ya up eventually ..I know.
Yet in my opinion what's wrong with a "puff" on occassion? A lot less negatives than piss that's for sure. Sad when people judge drugs by the gross missuse by idiots.
I've had more problems with a decade of painkillers from the doc! Terrible stuff,bad side effects.

Agree nothing wrong from occasional puff....I know more people fucked from piss.....one of my mates in UK died from it...funny world we live in.......illegal to buy/smoke drugs.....legal subject to age to buy/drink piss which affects more people....oh and fills up the Govt's Super Fund.....p

[Grahameeboy]

Nah can't say that I have. Though there have been times when my arms did not feel asif they were under my control. I could move them but they didn't go where I wanted them to and it didn't feel like I was the one moving them. Only time I've had trouble farting is when I'mon the bike. Seat doesn't seem to let air flow so I have to lift up a bit to let it out. Is that the reason sportbike riders hop around on and off the seat so much?

Yeah I heard that the handling on the XV sometimes takes over.......I just lift one cheek......

[DMNTD:Me]

...but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it.....I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me... I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs...I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.
Flame away.

Nah mate...bling to you! An excellent example of what "an occassional" is like

[ktulu]

Yeah I don't like drugs, don't particularly like the effects of people I care about doing drugs. Also I don't even drink much or take drugs like panadol. Not entirely sure why, but its my choice.

I don't hold it against people that they get stoned occasionally or hit the piss real hard, its there choice, I'm happy with mine and I hope they're happy with theirs.

The strange thing about this though is that it would be much easier for me to do all of these things as a lot of the people i am friends with do and I'm not a christian or anything, but there are other things in life I enjoy more.

Getting out on a bike or going down for a game of squash makes me far more excited than sitting on the deck at my house stoned out of my mind and enjoying "getting high"

But hey, each to their own.

I hope everyone has a safe christmas

[enigma51]

Yeah drugs kill or is that speed cant always remember





MDU I know what you saying!

[ManDownUnder]

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.

Tell ya what - no flames from me...

I've given my opinion - you've given yours. I'm the first to admit know shit about the wierd and wonderful drugs that are out there, but from what I've seen and heard the risks are high enough, and the losses can be great.

You make a good point about the alcohol. I'll admit that is my drug of choice and I am happy enough to use or avoid it. I'll also admit there is a lot of damage done in society as a result.

I started this thread out of my growing awareness for what's happening around me, and the chances I've had to sit and talk with a number of people and their experiences re drugs.

A couple of others made good points re prescription drugs... The only difference between them and non prescription drugs/natural herbal highs etc is that the drugs are being manufactured under very controlled circumstances (so they all come out the same... can you spell "Big Mac") and the people telling you to try them, and those dispensing are trained in the expected effects.

I am still loath to take the bloody things myself... I think the "quick fix" mentality has gone overboard too. Antibiotics for a cold? Nice one...

My main concern in this thread is with the P, crack, heroin, cocain, dope etc. I guess it's because I know nothing about them, and have only had the chance to observe their effects on occasion.

I also know I don't want to try them...

[skelstar]

They seem to be, although no one else is able to see them at times.

Its not "Doctor Robert" is it

Doctor Robert
You're a new and better man
He help you to understand
He does everything he can
Doctor Robert

[yungatart]

Stay away from this family, no problem. But hey lets face it how many peoples lives have been destroyed by alcohol. Sorry to bring it up, but I get sick and tired of people generalising with drugs and ignoring alcohol. Yes I do use marijuana regularly, not because of so-called pain relief but because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot more than alcohol without a doubt. I've been a regular smoker for a long long time now. I'm in good health, I manage a large car yard with 15 staff under me, I have a beautiful daughter who is fit, smart, confident, funny. I have a wonderfdul wife who doesn't smoke anything or drink and I have another child on the way. I do not need help, however those who think I do should maybe look in the mirror before generalising me and drugs.

I also don't mind chomping on the odd tab, never had any issues with that either.

Flame away.

I definitely stay away from this family, but feel real sorry for the kids-3 of them-early teens and under, with their parents and older siblings in jail and them in foster care.Thy've been living in a house that was demolished because it was too badly contaminated by P to be cleaned up... not much chance for them eh? As for alcohol, was married to an alcoholic for a looong time- so you can't tell me anything there. I'm not generalising about you or anyone else, but I would still advise people to stay clear of drugs.

[onearmedbandit]

I too have advised certain people not to take drugs or to drink, doesn't go with their personality. However I'm sure most would be very suprised if they actually knew who was and who wasn't taking illegal drugs. Many many people who are users or even abusers do not show any outward signs of their use. However as human nature dictates we only take note of those who have gone off the rails.

Leave the rest of us drug-addled hippy flare wearing flowers-in-our-hair lava lamp lovers VW Kombi driving people alone okay? (PT)

[*sic]

first and foremost, i like to live by the rule.

You cant claim to know something unless you have experienced it for yourself.

its how i train, its how i live.

i have no comments regarding the drugs / substances / situations that i have not personally experienced.

drugs in any form however are still a gamble..physiologically speaking, the effects can be so varied from each time the user takes a dose, as the body will be in a different condition to last time, sleep ammount, current mental state, any depression, or anxiety, or body injuries, fitness, immune system currently fighting anything.. hydration levels.. have you developed a immune system response from the last episode with the drug? so now you will have a allergic reaction?.

anyways, its personel choice what you do ingest / inject.. and i dont really give a rats unless i know you.

haha, eat up!

have fun, dont die.

[duckman]

Sooooo .... Whats evryones "take" on Legal drugs like ... Diamond Ice, Frenzy, london unground e.t.c.

I've tried alot of these when going out for big night and love it. I don't spend as much on drink and always have a fantastic time.
The hangovers can be a bit nasty ... but then alcohol can do the same.

Thoughts?????

[Str8 Jacket]

Sooooo .... Whats evryones "take" on Legal drugs like ... Diamond Ice, Frenzy, london unground e.t.c.

I've tried alot of these when going out for big night and love it. I don't spend as much on drink and always have a fantastic time.
The hangovers can be a bit nasty ... but then alcohol can do the same.

Thoughts?????

The effects the days following are alot worse to be honest

[duckman]

The effects the days following are alot worse to be honest

I've also tried those recovery pills you take before you go to bed ... sometimes they work a treat.

You go out allllll night and wake up feeling fine the next day (or the same day really).

[Str8 Jacket]

I've also tried those recovery pills you take before you go to bed ... sometimes they work a treat.

You go out allllll night and wake up feeling fine the next day (or the same day really).

Ah, ok ive never tried the recovery pills. Im not really into anything like that anymore. If its not natural then its only fucking with some part if your body... I find herbals make me lose my appetite for up to three days, and anyone that knows me knows I love my food!

[crashe]

Great comments from both sides of the fence...

I personally will not ride my bike with booze in me...
I will however drive my car with a couple (2 or 3) of drinks inside me.
I guess I see that I have 4 walls protecting me, while on the bike I need to be totally aware of everything happening around me.

But there are many who drink so much booze and then ride...
They are risking themselves, other riders (if in a group ride) and also other vehicle drivers. Even if they are still badly hungover the next day and still they ride.. sorry but the booze is still in their system and will effect their riding skills etc.

There are also those who will ride under the influence of drugs (illegal or legal drugs - when some of the legal drugs state avoid operating a vehicle). Again they are putting others at risk as well as themselves.

If I go to a pub or party on the bike then I ONLY drink coke or lemonade. I am not willing to risk myself or anyone else out there on the roads.

Yep I know many people who have a joint at parties etc... but that is only occassionally...... like at weekends.

I have seen the effects of drugs and booze on people.... and the long term effects it has on some.

Some people have that addictive gene in them that when they touch booze or drugs it will do strange things to them... not everyone has that.... which is great.

It is not nice for people to be addicated to booze or drugs....
as it is very hard to get clean and to stay clean...