Mind altering drugs... rant

**onearmedbandit** · 24th December 2005, 15:53

Please SPB, enlighten me how this 'insidious' drug has reprogrammed me into thinking everything is normal. To meet me no-one would know that I smoke 'pot'. Even when people get to know me well, it still surprises them. In fact I've had difficulty convincing people I do smoke. So come on, please don't ignore this message because I am taking you seriously. You are speaking from experience, experience that I can relate to (ie consumption) so I'm very interested in your perspective. PM me if you don't want to discuss it on the forum.

**onearmedbandit** · 24th December 2005, 16:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

And more power to you - BUT a lot of drug-demotivated non-working people commit crimes (fraud, burglary, theft,) to buy the cannabis from the likes of your grower friend. (By no means saying HE sells to the likes of them)

And some people commit crimes to buy motorcycles like yours and mine SD. Does that mean the motorcycle is to blame? Or is it human nature? Or is it peer pressure? Whatever it is it is not the end products fault. Kind of like suing Toyota because one of their cars was used in a bank robbery. Kind of like class action taken against Judas Priest in the '90's by the parents of two drop-kicks who decided to lock themselves in a room replaying a J.P. song then trying to top themselves. One suceeded, the other didn't. The judge threw the case out.

Sure crimes are committed by people aiming to get drugs, be it standover tactics by dealers, burglaries to fence goods to buy drugs etc. I most certainly am not disputing that. Neither is a good school friend of mine who was murdered at a bottle store up the road from me over a hip-flask of JD. Gave the guy the goods, put his hands up and boom, one to the chest. So lets ban alcohol......

What gets me is that if the police want to, they could have over a barrel for possession all because in the comfort of my own home I want to relax with a quick billie. I contribute to society, I do not commit crimes other than minor traffic offences occassionally (no-one innocent of that here), I take pride in myself and my family, I conduct myself in a pleasant manner, I help little old ladies cross the street. But fuck me this wouldn't mean shit if I got caught with a few grammes of bud (especially if was over 28gm), oh no I would be just another good-for-nothing waste-on-society loser. Well fuck that, I won't put up with shit.

Yes I am passionate about things I believe in.

**scumdog** · 24th December 2005, 16:28

Your comparisons are a little tenuous in places - often the motorbike thieves are also non-working drug users too - in MY experience, as the ads say "your results may vary"

Each to their own, if you can function and use cannabis too well good on you but I see too many of lifes losers sitting around, not working, stealing stuff to sell, buying overpriced tinnies and having as much input into society as a slater (o.k., their place may be to make the rest of us feel good I suppose)

You are one of the exceptions I guess.

**onearmedbandit** · 24th December 2005, 16:54

Regarding my comparison, yes I agree that probably the majority of these thieves are drug users. It is very unfortunate for the likes of me that the drug I choose to indulge in is highly popular with the criminal element through consumption and control of sales. And I, as no doubt a lot of other people like myself, have met and dealt with some 'heavies'. Not a nice experience really, although when you are young and impressionable it can be very exciting. Sneaking over the railtracks to the 'wrong side of town' kind of thing. (And maybe that is partly why so many of our youth try it. It's illegal, it's readily available, you or someone you know has to be 'sneaky' to get it, you have to be 'sneak' away to have a smoke. The inquisitive nature of the young means a lot will give it a try, either to see what it is all about or to give in to peer pressure. So is education the answer? Maybe, but currently as the debate over its effects is raging parents etc will argue that it is only introducing more young people to the drug. So if we can not agree whether to educate or not and for that matter what its effects are, there is no way the drug is going to become decriminalised or legalised soon.)

But now things for me are different. I've matured, gained experience and through that hopefully some wisdom, and also received more serious responsibilities. I've been lucky enough to have never been in serious trouble with the police, shit the last time I spoke to one other than break-ins at work or traffic related would've been over 10yrs ago.

**Teflon** · 24th December 2005, 17:59

Thats not very nice inlinefour. Just because i have a different life style to you doesn't make me a dickhead.

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 18:19

Originally Posted by Teflon

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

Arrgh, it could have been a red rep mate. Honestly who gives a toss about rep anyway.... ?!
Just be happy that even though you take drugs you are not paranoid about your world turning to shit...

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 18:59

Originally Posted by Teflon

Thats not very nice inlinefour. Just because i have a different life style to you doesn't make me a dickhead.

I'm about to have a cry and start a FUCK KB thread, because you have really hurt my feelings...

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.

**boomer** · 24th December 2005, 19:21

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.

Well theres lots of dickheads about then... But to straighten things up Teflon referred to E not speed, nor P, or meths or anything else.. just E's obviously assuming they're pure E's (MDMA) and not mixed with Meths or Ket or ..

Inline.. It's not all black and white mate... here you go, lets lighten things up....the top 5 Greatest pop songs;

THE SHAMEN : 'EBENEEZER GOODE'
THE STRANGLERS 'GOLDEN BROWN'
MUSICAL YOUTH : 'PASS THE DUTCHIE'
THE BEATLES : 'LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS'
PETER, PAUL AND MARY : 'PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON'

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 19:34

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

**boomer** · 24th December 2005, 19:39

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

True in the medical sense but different on the street... E's can and do contain lotsa shit they shouldn't; Here... What ya buying?

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 19:42

Originally Posted by boomer

True in the medical sense but different on the street... E's can and do contain lotsa shit they shouldn't; Here... What ya buying?

Dont disagree with you at all, just saying that people should actually read before they flame. Pure MDMA is not metham.....Im not saying that it doesnt have a negative effect on one, just not entirely the same.

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 19:42

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Sorry dude, E is not methamphetimine.... might wanna read carefully before flaming

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 19:44

Originally Posted by inlinefour

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Rep does not matter. You are entitiled (sp?) to your opinion, as is anyone. I just dont believe that you should flame people for THEIR opinion, understood?

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 19:50

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Rep does not matter. You are entitiled (sp?) to your opinion, as is anyone. I just dont believe that you should flame people for THEIR opinion, understood?

I agree that anyone is entitled to their opinion. As I am entitled to state that anyone who thinks E is OK is a dickhead. Like I said before, build a bridge and get over it. Either that or go and have another session, up to you.

Feck, is there any other KBer here thats not into drugs?

**boomer** · 24th December 2005, 19:50

Originally Posted by inlinefour

As far as Im aware XTC, E, whatever you wish to call it is merely another form of methamphetimine. See http://mdma.net/mdma.html for a rather technical explanation of the illicit substance. I stand by what I previously stated and if someone is going to get upset over it, I really don't care. Red rep me if you must, but I have got my facts straight.

I hope you dont take cold remedies from the Chemist Inline????!!!

It's worth noting Inline, Chemicals can be manufactured in different ways to effect different parts of the brain or body.. read your aticle and you may be a little wiser... Dont confuse P, Crack or GBH with other classay drugs... it aint the same;

As the Shamen said mate.. eezer Goode