Mind altering drugs... rant

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 19:55

Ok, heres a perfect example, Im pissed right now. Been drinking since 3 or 4 this arvo and right now all I wanna do is "fight". I'll bet you that without a doubt, that if I had taken "mind altering substances" instead of drinking I would actually be out in town or with mates right now, having fun and not wishing to argue with anyone.... As I say its a personal choice, I just wish people could accept others as they themselves would like to be. I get more hassles from my friends and family for riding a motorbike than I ever got for smoking weed or indulging in "mind altering substances".

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 19:59

Inlinefour, in response to your rep..... I usually AM stoned and non argumentative, but im staying at my olds and my dads a pastor so outta respect I do not do anything but drink while I am staying here.
Funny how im so wound up when im pissed eh?!

BTW I hate cowards like you, repping and pming nasty messages, whys that? If you believe so much in what your saying why dont you "hang all your dirty washing out".... hmm?

**Teflon** · 24th December 2005, 20:00

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I don't care if I have hurt your feelings or what ever your going to do as a result. In my opinion anyone who thinks methamphetamine is OK, is just a dickhead.

Take what a post with a grain of salt. theres no way in hell you'll be able to hurt my feelings

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 20:00

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Ok, heres a perfect example, Im pissed right now. Been drinking since 3 or 4 this arvo and right now all I wanna do is "fight". I'll bet you that without a doubt, that if I had taken "mind altering substances" instead of drinking I would actually be out in town or with mates right now, having fun and not wishing to argue with anyone.... As I say its a personal choice, I just wish people could accept others as they themselves would like to be. I get more hassles from my friends and family for riding a motorbike than I ever got for smoking weed or indulging in "mind altering substances".

I can't be bothered as I have said my piece. Have a read over this in the morning when the head has cleared. If your getting hassled about riding, then you need to learn to be assertive. I work with health professionals, as I am also one. I used to get hassled about riding motorcycles, but some well put conversations along with some good assertive skills helped people respect my decision to ride. How about we agree to disagree here SJ, have a drink for me as I'm currently at work and its quiet and boring.

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 20:01

Originally Posted by Teflon

Take what a post with a grain of salt. theres no way in hell you'll be able to hurt my feelings

Careful mate, he'll "rep" you again. :spudguita

**Str8 Jacket** · 24th December 2005, 20:03

Originally Posted by inlinefour

How about we agree to disagree here SJ, have a drink for me as I'm currently at work and its quiet and boring.

Dont you work with physchotic mental people that have taken too many drugs?? Why dont you go try and fuck with their minds, im sure someone like you would enjoy that!

Oh yeah sorry would you have prefered if Id "repped" you with that message?..

Oh yeah, btw Im joking Ive had 4 beers and dinner im not pissed...

**kro** · 24th December 2005, 20:12

I guess I'm an addict of sorts, but my addiction, is being unable to resist jumping on the bike, and going for even the shortest little splat down to the shops, or having a wee "pose" ride along the waterfront.

I tried pot a few times, but didnt like the way it fucked with my head, so I havent touched anything else. I can relate to people who dick around with drugs, because i understand the need for escape sometimes, but don't think its a good idea to dabble with the shit thats available these days, as it will so mess you up, it'll impact your life in a bum way.

Alcohol is a drug, and I partake, so I am not trying to sound all high and mighty, I just think the diff between a couple of beers every Friday is worlds away from smoking P every night.

**Badcat** · 24th December 2005, 20:15

Originally Posted by kronos

Alcohol is a drug, and I partake, so I am not trying to sound all high and mighty, I just think the diff between a couple of beers every Friday is worlds away from smoking P every night.

yep - and there's a big diff between a line of charlie on a friday and drinking till smashed every night also.

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 20:41

Originally Posted by boomer

I hope you dont take cold remedies from the Chemist Inline????!!!

It's worth noting Inline, Chemicals can be manufactured in different ways to effect different parts of the brain or body.. read your aticle and you may be a little wiser... Dont confuse P, Crack or GBH with other classay drugs... it aint the same;

As the Shamen said mate.. eezer Goode

As far as Im aware E & P are in the same class, butr yes have different chemical compisitions. I'm not stating I know much about drugs apart from the negative effects, classifications and compisition. For the record, cannabis is not an issue here for me. The only time cannabis can become a hassle is if there is a pre-existing thought disorder.

**T.W.R** · 24th December 2005, 20:53

Originally Posted by inlinefour

As far as Im aware E & P are in the same class, butr yes have different chemical compisitions. I'm not stating I know much about drugs apart from the negative effects, classifications and compisition. For the record, cannabis is not an issue here for me. The only time cannabis can become a hassle is if there is a pre-existing thought disorder.

they are in the same class ( Stimulants) along with caffine & cocaine and according the chart apart from caffine they've all had medical use in one way or another over the years.

edit: doesn't matter where they've originated from their something man made & as with every man made illicit drug its going to cause trouble

**MrMelon** · 24th December 2005, 21:01

E is class B, P is class A. They're classified that way for a reason. Biff summed it up pretty much perfectly.

**boomer** · 24th December 2005, 21:11

They're bad fullstop.. u make your choices you take your chances...sometimes blissfully, sometimes with ignorance and sometimes for the worst.

Inline, im fully aware that this shit can and does react differently with different people.. i go by the fact that if i know what im doing then its my choice.. see above. Its one of the greatest posessions I/we have. (may also be my/our biggest defect

)

Some people on the other hand don't do the maths or may have that bad reaction;

Education is the way forward not dictation

**boomer** · 24th December 2005, 21:24

Originally Posted by Badcat

yep - and there's a big diff between a line of charlie on a friday and drinking till smashed every night also.

my friend started off dropping tabs , some shrooms, poppin pills, snorting speed and found he preferred himself wrecked than pissed... he got a tad agro on the larger.

This scene then slowly but surely turned into hittin the Charlie occassionally.. then one day he had a wake up call when the occassional line with friends turned into getting wrecked at mates of mates places who were dealing and openly displayed guns. He considers himself lucky.

Unfortunately some people cant say no, have addictive personalities, are led too easily and some do have that reaction.. happens teh same way in other walks of life too, we are after all, only human.

What i dont enjoy is being told by someone what i can and cant do, hey im ugly enough to make my own deciscions thankyou very much

**inlinefour** · 24th December 2005, 21:29

Originally Posted by boomer

They're bad fullstop.. u make your choices you take your chances...sometimes blissfully, sometimes with ignorance and sometimes for the worst.

Inline, im fully aware that this shit can and does react differently with different people.. i go by the fact that if i know what im doing then its my choice.. see above. Its one of the greatest posessions I/we have. (may also be my/our biggest defect

)

Some people on the other hand don't do the maths or may have that bad reaction;

Education is the way forward not dictation

I'll have a big cup of shut the F$%K up and wish you all a merry (but not too merry

) christmas and see you all after boxing day as Im off to Wangavegus to watch the racing

Edit: thanks for all the green bling and positive PMs. Nice to know that Im not the bastard that some might make me out to be

**Pixie** · 25th December 2005, 09:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

Most of these 'Natural Herbal High' type pills are neither natural nor herbal, most contain a fair dollop (scientific meadurement as used by the manufacturer) of BZP (1-Benzyl piperazine) which is a totally synthetic drug originally developed as a de-worming drug for live-stock - but it caused siezures in the animals so was dropped, now humans take it?????

In animals it takes 10mg per kg of body weight to cause siezures, the 'part-pill' volume is equal to 20mg per kg of body weight.

Just thought y'all might like to know - and rest assured you won't have worms!!!

P.S. The 'manufacurers' of these pills are a tad casual about how much of what they put into them due to lack of Government say-so, you could be paying good money for something really toxic - or you could be paying it for sweet F.A.

By your measurements everyone who takes these should experience seizures?
Dopers must be more stupid than I thought.
Maybe I can make money hitting them in the head with an ice axe