admit it..... you know mine is the best..... well................ cause its MINE!!Originally Posted by GN1NiteStnd
I beg to differ, mr rg100
Pretengineer
admit it..... you know mine is the best..... well................ cause its MINE!!I beg to differ, mr rg100
wheelie king
Screw that honda shite!! go get your self a Suzuki or Kawasaki!!
mine its the Creme of bucket bikes
nathans is the Honda CBR150
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Una Storia Italiana
Yeah man, I'm only bitching cos theres a new FXR in the field down here so... that puts me back a position rather than getting ahead.
I dont have the $$ for a big bore or to get 20hp out of my MB... so I spose I should pull my finger out of my arse and ride harder
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
Pretengineer
ooooorrr go get a Honda CBR150 imported from tailandthen you would be the bees knees
Bucket Racer/Crasher
to quote Kickaha - "it wont happen".
Una Storia Italiana
Na... I dont get it, for me buckets isent about being 1st home..... its about man and machine another words I like to build a old shitter up from something very slow and learning to ride it.... thats bucketsooooorrr go get a Honda CBR150 imported from tailand
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Piss off, where’s your new bike? How’s the blown bucket project going huh? Thought so.
But yeah I’ve pretty much quit the watercooled full case reed MB100.For now at least. The next project is slightly loftier but should be easier. If it turns to poo I’ll put the MB back in.
Gee some of youse guys talk a pile of poo re horsepower. How the heck did you come up with that 15hp 50cc stuff RG100?My bike sure isn’t putting that much out, wish it was.
The reason the 50s in wgtn are doing the business is because they handle (even in std RG form) better than most 100s which std are pretty woeful, & the riders can apply power earlier & keep it on longer, but they have less power than you & over a much smaller range. . . + At least 2 of the 3 F5 riders are fairly talented.
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
State of buckets. Well it’s hard to say. - Well it actually easy to say any sort of crap (especially here). When I joined there was an unwritten rule about the engines having to be 7yrs or older. The RG50s put paid to that & my MB50 was obsolete overnight. oh well. Evolution, can't beat them, join them (after banging head for 6 years as I was too broke).
Personally I think the 150 4stroke rule should have been
150 2valve,
125 4valve. Not that there are any, this side of a VT250 head.
I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.
But on the other hand trying to get a 125 air-cooled 2 stroke with a mincy little 24mm carb hauling is a bit of a far call. The carb velocity at anything over about 8000rpm is excessive. A 34mm is exactly double the area & you can watercool the 100 as well.
So what is the spirit of buckets? I’ve always enjoyed improving my bikes. It’s bare bones engineering on a budget. It has always got to cost something & how much is debatable. Someone who isn’t prepared to spend more than $200 probably isn’t going to be racing in 2 years & retire to the lounge bar grumbling about entry fees.
I cotton’d on to the fact that RS chassis handled well & could be bought cheap as chips, & I slung in my RG wheels etc into a $300 otherwise complete chassis. That is bucket cheap. (but they don't come up like that often sorry) Others were going to do it so may as well follow the rules early on I figured.
Problem is not many engines fit & take some pretty serious butchery. The 50 was fairly easy but I’ve been through a couple of grinding discs on the engine & the frame with latest bike.
What we want to avoid is MX engines. They would make everything obsolete. What’s worse is old MX engines are hard to buy as they get ridden into the ground, so Frank would go buy a 90s RM80. Then little Johnny’s dad would buy him a 2000 model. But he got beaten so next year goes & buys a spanker 2006 into a custom made chassis. That would just be silly.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Pretengineer
well i know exactly how much hamishes bike is making..... and the last i heard, yours was "supposed" to be doing 14 hp.... so i couldnt be fucked going into too much detail with .1s and .5s etc so i rounded to 15 to give an example.Gee some of youse guys talk a pile of poo re horsepower. How the heck did you come up with that 15hp 50cc stuff RG100?
as for the 'fairly' talented riders...... Jay lawrence is a Fucken very very talented rider. He has not been riding any where near as long as you have, has about 50% less HP than yours and still manages to beat you.
Going back to the FXR 150 thing,
there is nooo way that there is a prob with them.
when you think about it, weve got one guy with an Aprillia RS50 making very close to 15 hp, and then we've got two guys with fucken RS125 Grand Prix frames!!!!!!! GRAND FUCKING PRIX FRAMES!! and then some are bitching and moaning about a little commuter bike being races FFS!!
Cheers, Glenn
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Peak horsepower is one thing, spread is another. My bike has good peak but a lousy spread. OK on simple tracks but if you’re having a bad day not so easy to ride & you spend more time out of the power than a wide spread bike like Jays (I’ve ridden it & it is a lot faster now). Most people who ride it would go slower on mine than an easier to ride bike. On a good day I can ride it well & it makes it more rewarding in a sick kind of way.
A friend races a FXR in Auckland & has gone from a 100 with good power to much less on the FXR but he says it has such spread he hardly bothers to change gear & is currently doing very well. More average horsepower over a rev range is better than a high peak. & by the way RS's were made for full size racetrack, not short ones like manfield & - certainly not kart tracks.
But the 50s are a different class & no way should be whumping the F4 class. Make as many excuses as you like, I was never given a hand or a bike & could barely ride at 17 & only vagely competent at 20. Took me a few years to get fast so don’t expect the world on a plate. It takes most quite some time to learn.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
MotoFXR's will rule the world!
State of buckets. Well it’s hard to say. - Well it actually easy to say any sort of crap (especially here). When I joined there was an unwritten rule about the engines having to be 7yrs or older. The RG50s put paid to that & my MB50 was obsolete overnight. oh well. Evolution, can't beat them, join them (after banging head for 6 years as I was too broke).
Personally I think the 150 4stroke rule should have been
150 2valve,
125 4valve. Not that there are any, this side of a VT250 head.
I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.
But on the other hand trying to get a 125 air-cooled 2 stroke with a mincy little 24mm carb hauling is a bit of a far call. The carb velocity at anything over about 8000rpm is excessive. A 34mm is exactly double the area & you can watercool the 100 as well.
So what is the spirit of buckets? I’ve always enjoyed improving my bikes. It’s bare bones engineering on a budget. It has always got to cost something & how much is debatable. Someone who isn’t prepared to spend more than $200 probably isn’t going to be racing in 2 years & retire to the lounge bar grumbling about entry fees.
I cotton’d on to the fact that RS chassis handled well & could be bought cheap as chips, & I slung in my RG wheels etc into a $300 otherwise complete chassis. That is bucket cheap. (but they don't come up like that often sorry) Others were going to do it so may as well follow the rules early on I figured.
Problem is not many engines fit & take some pretty serious butchery. The 50 was fairly easy but I’ve been through a couple of grinding discs on the engine & the frame with latest bike.
What we want to avoid is MX engines. They would make everything obsolete. What’s worse is old MX engines are hard to buy as they get ridden into the ground, so Frank would go buy a 90s RM80. Then little Johnny’s dad would buy him a 2000 model. But he got beaten so next year goes & buys a spanker 2006 into a custom made chassis. That would just be silly.
This is the best explanation and reasoning i have heard in my short time racing buckets. I would say if mnz had made f5 4 stoke limit 145cc we wouldn't be having this bitch session, i think they were thinking of the gl145 etc and the fxr didnt register on te radar.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
wheelie king
Yeah You your real good, Jay he is a legend and Hamish 125 250 GP racer and so on. Currently am thinking of some new mods for my 50 also known as a RS125 chassis if I can get one which could happen and also a chamber and at Weltec next year I will port it etc
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Forum whore
so who knows what bout that turbo bike in the pics? im considering such a build but cant think of anything with a turbo that small to steal for the job. Whats he gotten his out of? Any major teething probs?
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MotoFXR's will rule the world!
Diesel Pig and Kickaha have been building it for 12-18 mths hasn't fired in anger (yet) I dont think they even think it will go any good just building it cause they can. I think the turbo is out of a 600cc Suzuki/Diahatsu cage of some sort. Diesel Pig will be able to fill you in on the details. The moral of the story is if they were easy to do and went well we would be all racing them.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Forum whore
realise that, i wanna do the "just coz i can" build
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