Bucket photos

[Kickaha]

Turbo is out of a Suzuki Cappuccino, which is a 660cc motor, one day if either of us can be fucked we might get around to doing a bit more work on it

[Sketchy_Racer]

Peak horsepower is one thing, spread is another. My bike has good peak but a lousy spread. OK on simple tracks but if you’re having a bad day not so easy to ride & you spend more time out of the power than a wide spread bike like Jays (I’ve ridden it & it is a lot faster now). Most people who ride it would go slower on mine than an easier to ride bike. On a good day I can ride it well & it makes it more rewarding in a sick kind of way.

A friend races a FXR in Auckland & has gone from a 100 with good power to much less on the FXR but he says it has such spread he hardly bothers to change gear & is currently doing very well. More average horsepower over a rev range is better than a high peak. & by the way RS's were made for full size racetrack, not short ones like manfield & - certainly not kart tracks.

But the 50s are a different class & no way should be whumping the F4 class. Make as many excuses as you like, I was never given a hand or a bike & could barely ride at 17 & only vagely competent at 20. Took me a few years to get fast so don’t expect the world on a plate. It takes most quite some time to learn.

yes very good points made in there,

but as to a peaky bike, my old one used to be quite peaky, but i did not like this, soooo thats why i now have the FXR. On the Fxr i dont need to spend too much money on it to make it go fast enough. Its fast enough at the mo and thats how it will stay for quite a while.

and refering to the Rs chassis,

yes the Rs chassis are made for bigger tracks, manfeild would be ideal for the these littuns.... any bigger and its just a HP race.

and the Rs chassis is a Race chassis. Wether in a carpark, a track, where ever, they are gonna be a whole shit load better than a cheap arse commuter bike chassis arent they??? Yes of course they were.

Im always good for a Discussion and Rave, but this is no way meant to be rude at all. I respect my elders, even if they do talk some shite sometimes (bayden )

Cheers, Glenn

[Ivan]

Yeah the RS is perfect for Manfield and they was even better at GM when I rode one cause I got to throw it on its side this is Jays bucket im talking about and be on the throttle it was fun, that was the day I almost beat Jay those were the days

[speedpro]

I've got the exact same turbo. It's an IHI RHB31 from a Suzuki Cappucino. I've also got the equivalent size supercharger. Now all I have to do is finish the engine to put them on. I know Dave's friend in Auckland with the FXR. He's been racing buckets successfully for years. As Dave says he went from a good MB100 to the FXR and with no power improving mods went faster just because it was easier to use. This works on the tiny Mt Wellington track. At say Ruapuna he'd be blown into the weeds by a slightly above average 100 2-stroke. The same sort of thing applies to the 125 2-strokes with the 24mm carb. They go real hard on the kart tracks because they can't be tuned to peak hard and make LOTS of horsepower and so end up nice and mild and easy to use. MNZ were thinking exactly of the FXR150 when the rules were changed, and no I didn't have anything to do with it. Re the 100cc 4-strokes in F5, as far as I'm aware they haven't exactly taken over even though the rules have allowed them for some years now.

[Ivan]

I also think in F5 that 100cc 4 stroke against 50cc 2 stroke –that’s double the size! Isn’t fair even with the carb restriction. Good thing competition engines aren’t allowed like XR100s.

I will argue with this an XR100 is not a competition motor they a a trail bike/farm bike, I know my brother had one and raced at buckets in JR Motard and did some 50 races on it also working at the Local bike shop I worked on Moto X bikes and farm bikes and there is a big difference

[Sketchy_Racer]

yea the XR 100 engine is not at all a 'sports' engine at all, infact they would make a really good F5 engine, well a good base to work from. I think the last i heard of my friends one , it was making 8 Hp or something really low, so they not exactly fast

[Ivan]

yeah they puss as

[gav]

FXR150's in buckets is like SV650's in F3, unless the rules are tweaked to allow "newer" stuff in, the class will die, as lack of suitable race bikes dry up. I think the whole bucket racing "spirit" if you like shifted when RS125 chassis' started turning up. Now I can also remember when the first RG50 turned up on a track, same kinda story as now, "unfair", "too expensive" "bad for the sport"...
Think what some of these young guys (Ivan, RG100) have top realise, that in motorcycling you still have to ride it, and regardless of what bike you may have its no guarantee of success. Look at Ivan on the ex Jay Lawrence RS125, 2nd in the champs last year, now with Ivan on board its lucky to even qualify, and is running at the back of the pack.
Now while someone may have the good fortune of picking up an old RS125 rolling chassis for $200 and claim that its cheap (yes it is, in fact I'll give ya $250 for it!), the thing is, that not many people have access to them so youre almost looking at maybe buying an old complete bike for $1500-$2000 to get into one.
Maybe there should be a "claiming rule", say $1500? Of course Ivan would probably just end up with half a dozen more bikes in his garage.
Think maybe the class should allow aircooled 80cc MX bikes in and have 150cc four strokes and 80cc two strokes in a seperate "premier" class and allow anyone else in that can run with them?
But its not really any different to when I started with some of the other Nelson guys and travelling to Blenheim and racing at Woodbourne, the level of some of the bikes there were just so superior but they had the tools on base and time and skills to just build some awesome stuff, but then some of the guys looked to be on "stock standard" DT100's and the like but were just so damn fast, and guys like the Wood brothers and others were classy riders too. Some of the bucket GP's of the time both at Woodbourne and Wigram, showed that some guys took it very serious, and nothings really changed now. At the bucket bucket racing seems on a real high, with plenty of interest, but bear in mind the class has been going for what, at least 30 years now ?? These arguments spring up all the time......

[froggyfrenchman]

Remember, They might have the grunt, but still have to be able to ride it quick

[gav]

My CT125 makes about 24hp at the rear wheel

WTF? Thats 192 hp per litre, at the rear wheel wheel, from an air cooled four stroke? Whos tuning it for you? Burt Munro???
Ray Clees tuned GSXR1000K5's are around the 200hp mark, this is water cooled, fuel injected etc....

[froggyfrenchman]

WTF? Thats 192 hp per litre, at the rear wheel wheel, from an air cooled four stroke? Whos tuning it for you? Burt Munro???
Ray Clees tuned GSXR1000K5's are around the 200hp mark, this is water cooled, fuel injected etc....

He was just beleiving the drivel fed to him by another bloke, treating a guess as fact. Not his fault

[Kickaha]

FXR150's in buckets is like SV650's in F3,.

you mean it's fucking the class then? because F3 has declined since the SV was intorduced, but I can't see that happening with FXR150 in buckets

personally I don't think letting the FXR into buckets was a good idea even though I should have one in the next few weeks as I don't think the supply of bikes is drying up

[froggyfrenchman]

I think buckets should have a 5yo rule, no engine or frames newer than five years old.

[dangerous]

I think buckets should have a 5yo rule, no engine or frames newer than five years old.

Not a bad idea at all........ buckets...... 'buckets a shit'

ps, re: ya sigie...... what are you greasing Winja for

[froggyfrenchman]

Not a bad idea at all........ buckets...... 'buckets a shit'

ps, re: ya sigie...... what are you greasing Winja for

Not greasing, just think we should all have the right to express ourselves, he just isnt the same without the caps. Its like telling sniper to logout for once