Honestly some bikers must have S#!T for brains

[swbarnett]

Been said before but... No gear = no ACC perhaps???

Surely we all have a vested interest in maintaining freedom of thought? Personally, I'd do away with ACC levies all together and take it out of income tax. We all benefit from a free society and should all bear the cost.

How about compulsory health insurance? This is how it's done in Switzerland, everyone pays the same regardless of what you drive or what sport you play (and those who can't afford it get it paid for by the government).

[swbarnett]

Only because it's the law. Doing anything carries a risk, it should be up to me and not a government department to manage that risk.

Hear, hear!

I may disagree with your choice of gear for a given ride but whether I do or not is irrelevant. It's your personal safety so it's your choose. I for one will gladly pay a little extra so that you (and I) can make our own choices.

[Rashika]

Surely we all have a vested interest in maintaining freedom of thought? Personally, I'd do away with ACC levies all together and take it out of income tax. We all benefit from a free society and should all bear the cost.

this little bit about "All bearing the cost" bugs me... how do those who dont work, or dont pay car reg etc bear any of the cost? I dont see reg numbers painted on horses rear ends, so one assumes they dont pay a tax but do get a benefit? neither do those who mountain bike, play sports etc. Not saying they shouldn't be covered but how do they personally pay the same as those who may have several motorbikes and /or cars but can only ride one at a time, pay?
The only ones who bear the costs are the ones who can afford it, the others are just along for the ride.

[swbarnett]

this little bit about "All bearing the cost" bugs me... how do those who dont work, or dont pay car reg etc bear any of the cost?

There are two groups here - those that are two young to work and those who can't work through sickness or just the lack of work available.
The first group pays via their parents, the second group may not be paying financially but are paying by having a reduced standard of living (the dole and sickness benefits are not large).

Taking levies of vehicle registration would spread the cost across more people. Those that only use the bus would then bear some of the cost for example.

I dont see reg numbers painted on horses rear ends, so one assumes they dont pay a tax but do get a benefit? neither do those who mountain bike, play sports etc. Not saying they shouldn't be covered but how do they personally pay the same as those who may have several motorbikes and /or cars but can only ride one at a time, pay?

Presumeably most of them have a job? That's why removing the levies would be fairer. And no levy would mean the number of vehicles you own would be irrelevant.

The only ones who bear the costs are the ones who can afford it

Do you want to return to the days of flat taxes irrespective of your ability to pay?

, the others are just along for the ride.

If you can't afford to contribute financially to society's costs I don't think it would be a pleasant ride.

[Rashika]

There are two groups here - those that are two young to work and those who can't work through sickness or just the lack of work available.
The first group pays via their parents, the second group may not be paying financially but are paying by having a reduced standard of living (the dole and sickness benefits are not large).

and then there are those who dont own cars... and there are more and more of those these days. If it is so fair that the vehicle owners bear the brunt why do motorcyclists pay 30% more in vehicle reg? Cos we have to bear the cost of injuries to MC's even tho many are caused by car drivers at fault ....yadayada... another thread

Presumeably most of them have a job? That's why removing the levies would be fairer. And no levy would mean the number of vehicles you own would be irrelevant.

removing levys would be fairer, but it aint gonna happen, nice thought tho

If you can't afford to contribute financially to society's costs I don't think it would be a pleasant ride.

Unfortunately for many of our society, it is not such a bad one.

[swbarnett]

If it is so fair that the vehicle owners bear the brunt why do motorcyclists pay 30% more in vehicle reg? Cos we have to bear the cost of injuries to MC's even tho many are caused by car drivers at fault ....yadayada... another thread

Totally agree, the apportion of levies is totally inequable.

removing levys would be fairer, but it aint gonna happen, nice thought tho

We can but hope...

Unfortunately for many of our society, it is not such a bad one.

Maybe this also needs to be addressed. Those on social welfare need incentives to get off it.

[loneranger]

all the gear, all the time, no excuses!

[Rashika]

Maybe this also needs to be addressed. Those on social welfare need incentives to get off it.

we could solve the problems of the world on this forum sometimes... now just how do we get those who can actually change shit to read it?

[steveb64]

Where have you been hanging out?


Back to the point:

It's easy to say "i don't care what gear other peeps wear", but surely you guys would rather see someone walk away unscathed from a bin wouldn't you? or are you that cold??

I havn't always been "responsible" with wearing good gears, if it wasn't for another biker who commented on my wearing of jeans on a ride, I may have lost some skin by now!

Actually, jeans make quite good skid resistance! Tested by myself on a couple of occasions - once on the Maungamukas (Nth Aklnd) when I dropped my GSX1100 - ended up sliding up the road for 50 meters or so, in a cloud of sparks and engine bits, trying to hold the bike up so it didn't bend the crank. Wearing jeans (Levis), and a fiberpile (woolly sort of stuff) ski suit thing over the jeans - and a leather jacket. Ski suit bits were well shredded, jeans had a little hole in the hip area. Not a scratch on me. Then I was digging in the drain to get some dirt out to try and cover the oil all over the road (didn't want to take out any other bikes because of it...), and hit some busted glass, and sliced the side of my finger open. 1 stitch, no needles...

About that time, one of my Aunts was an ambo driver down Kawerau way - she also commented on having picked up a number of bikers over the years who'd done the big slide up the road in jeans - with surprisingly little damage! Even less if they were wearing two pairs!

Personally - I now use cowhide. Even when it's hot - it's still not as hot as it gets sliding on tar without it.

But I've also been down at the other end of the spectrum - due to youth, and insufficient funds... Still NEVER out in T-shirt or thongs tho! If it's hot, a large jacket will let plenty of breeze through - and I saw some of those jandal/thong piccies mentioned earlier. Put me right off wearing them anywhere near a bike. One guy was only doing 30k's or so, put his foot down, jandal stopped, foot didn't. Made a wishbone of it.

[steveb64]

Taking levies of vehicle registration would spread the cost across more people. Those that only use the bus would then bear some of the cost for example.

Presumeably most of them have a job? That's why removing the levies would be fairer. And no levy would mean the number of vehicles you own would be irrelevant.

Simple - remove the ACC levies from the rego system.
Tally up the costs of injuries from ALL users of petrol/diesel - i.e. Chainsaw injuries, boating injuries, car-bike-bus crashes, go-karts, lawn mowers, farm tractors, .... and add it ALL to fuel levies.
SO WHAT if the price of gas goes up another 10c a litre - it's going to anyway - prolly more than 10c too. And it may help the environment - higher fuel costs = people trying to use less of it...

Of course, that wouldn't penalise one group of the population... US!

[canarlee]

Driving northbound on the southern motorway this afternoon I saw something that no self respecting biker should do.
this motor cycle riding clown came onto the motorway at the Gillies Ave onramp clad in a helmet now thats a good start but it was all the way down hill from the helmet down because the next item of external clothing was a short sleeved T shirt bare arms totaly exposed. Next was short Pants Legs exposed. Last item Jandals. Notice no mention of basic stuff like gloves cause there was none worn. Now I supose you are thinking what motorcycle was this clown riding like a niffty 50....? Wrong try a ZX12R yep
So mister Green ZX12R you'll know who you are if you are one of us KB's, but I doubt that any of us are that stupid you are a stupid twat grow up. Hot weather is no excuse for not wearing protective gear and nether is lazy stupidity

you sir/madam must tomorow wear a thong and bra and stand outside your local pak n save from the hours of 6am and 9pm without a break.



is that ok?




hmm, i didnt think so.




you dont like being told what to wear and when so what gives you the right to tell others what to wear and when?

[Badcat]

some of the replies here illustrate the thread title so well.

ken

[Rashika]

you sir/madam must tomorow wear a thong and bra and stand outside your local pak n save from the hours of 6am and 9pm without a break.



is that ok?




hmm, i didnt think so.




you dont like being told what to wear and when so what gives you the right to tell others what to wear and when?

hmmm will I get paid heaps for doing it?

another 2 year old thread revived

[sunhuntin]

i live in jeans... sometimes i will wear leather pants over the top, but it takes about half an hour to put the damn things on over jeans, and the same to take em off.

if its warm enough, i will ride in a tshirt with the sleeves rolled up. ive arsed off once in jeans, cowboy boots and a singlet and open faced lid. my upper body: small knick in my thumb. [no gloves] lower body: both knees fucked for life, and major scarring on lower left leg. scar hurts like shit at the slightest pressure [leaning on a ladder rung, even a petrol hose resting on it] boots saved my ankle though. the result, i think, would have been the same for my legs no matter what i was wearing. btw, my jeans are poked.

[Machiavelli]

http://www.funny-games.biz/videos/62...-new-bike.html

this guy has no gear, but, how the fuck can you be as retarded as to crash like that?:eyepoke:

LOL that was freakin hillarious man. I guess... well... some people need a little bit more practice on motorbikes than others.

There's no way in hell I'm gonna let one of my knobbish friends take my bike for test ride if they're got no riding experience. Not, at least, when I get something with more guts than my Ginny.