Lost skills and capabilities.

[Pathos]

Four wheel drives & cars tearing around on a motorbike track maybe?

If they take a risk with their own lives thats fine. If they give everyone room so a multi vechicle crash won't happen I wouldn't care.

No, it's the fault of the idiots who can't control themselves.

Well then our opinions differ. Of course if the idiots did control themselves then the blanket restrictions wouldn't be there but they aren't the ones that put it there because it was the easy option instead of more direct action.

[oldrider]

I have taken some pics of the area and am attempting to post them for the first time.

The pics should be.

1) Entrance to the trail bike area from the East.

2) Entrance to the trail bike area from the West.

3) Clear signposting "Trail bike area No Camping"

4) Trail bike guys using the tracks.

Most of the visitors have left the area today and the place is almost bare of campers and holiday makers. It's amazing how quickly they come and go.

On reflection I think we (locals) get a bit shell shocked at Christmas time, suddenly there is an invasion and just as suddenly they are all gone!

We also get a bit precious about our facilities and tend to panic about other people using them. Queer buggers aren't we. Cheers John.

[mstriumph]

.....................My initial question was "why do older people lose the ability to communicate effectively with young people"?....................

effective communication requires two things - if yours was ineffective and you had done your best to 'send' the message
then mebbe the intended recipients hadn't done THEIR best to 'receive' it

----- so quit beating up on yourself perhaps?

I hope the 'do gooders' don't manage to foul things up for something that obviously means a lot to you.

[Pathos]

after seeing those images of the track I really can't understand why you needed to ask the drivers to leave?

[Colapop]

That's a reeel purty spot ya got there John boy. It may not be your problem but a lick o' paint on the signs wouldn't go amiss. It'd make 'em easier to see. It may be a good idea to get some rather large boulders put in some spots to deter 4x4 crazies.

[Cookie]

My 2 cents worth - oldrider, in your first post, I think you were taking a little more than your fair share of responsibility for the communication breakdown. They just sounded like wankers to me who are brave in packs. Nothing that some tear gas and rubber bullets wouldn't solve.



Best wishes.

[Pathos]

That's a reeel purty spot ya got there John boy. It may not be your problem but a lick o' paint on the signs wouldn't go amiss. It'd make 'em easier to see. It may be a good idea to get some rather large boulders put in some spots to deter 4x4 crazies.

haha thats perfect.

Only problem is you'll need a 4x4 to get it there :slap:

[oldrider]

after seeing those images of the track I really can't understand why you needed to ask the drivers to leave?

Look again Pathos, I didn't ask or tell them to leave, I just tried explained that the critics and land grabbers are watching that space.
It is quite a big area. There are people who don't think trail bike riders deserve to have sole access to it.
I will try and post a pic of some of the mess the campers leave behind for which the bikers get the blame because the campers are long gone by the time the "inspectors" make their self righteous observations. John.

[Pathos]

A sad little story really. Such A beautiful looking track.

I think you're going to have to fight like hell to keep it with land the value it is and population growth.

If you could get the 4x4 drivers on your side to try keep it away from the land grabbers you could be better off.

[oldrider]

A sad little story really. Such A beautiful looking track.
If you could get the 4x4 drivers on your side to try keep it away from the land grabbers you could be better off.

Good point actually and even the boy racers too! They could wreck their cars (which would be good) and wouldn't do much, if any, damage to the area.
Constructive thinking that man! If you can't beat em join em. Cheers john.

[Motu]

I've always thought I've got on pretty well with young people - I've never exactly been a ''pillar of society'',and young guys don't mind hanging out with someone who's a bit of a rebel.But that was back when I was a ''life begins at 40'' type of guy,beating the teenagers at their own game.But now as I move into the senility of my 50s,''frankly,I just don't give a damn''.I'm turning into a hermit with a family....if I saw the guy across the road cutting his wife up with a chainsaw I'd just go...hrmph,and go and weed my garden...

[Storm]

Good on you for giving it a go Oldrider, ya did the right thing. Its not your faulty they didnt listen, but good to see you spoke your mind

[avgas]

Unemployment to be a trend? - What country are you living in?

Not a country...a generation thing apparently....

Sorry about that guys and girls......was just sick of dealing with people who cant be f'ed to get one of the 10,000's of jobs out there......government handouts are easier.
lol Darwin would be pissed

Oldrider, hope that you get to keep your motox pad for future generations....but ive lost 8/10s of the areas i used to grow up in. But only half of them were closed due to idiots.

Anyhow goodnight everyone, and have a good one.

[Mr. Peanut]

Any suggestions advice thoughts or comments would be welcome as I feel this loss or deterioration of communication with younger ones is extremely disappointing and I'm fucked if I know what to do about it. Disappointed, John.

What a bunch of fuckin wankers, you were right to say what you did! should've
takin some heavy lookin blokes with tattoos with you that would've sorted them out.

The bigger the group the worse they are generally....

Im 18 and I think thats bullshit!!!