why i hate this time of year

[TonyB]

But I'm blaming the govts etc, they need to be removed, by some outside force, or by the people. maybe in theory if you let them get oppressed to such a level that they might take action themselves

-Indy

It doesn't work. Not in the short term anyway. Look at Iraq for the classic example of both theories.

[trumpy]

Its no good feeding them if your neighbour is going to invade, then all of your fed people would stave!
So you protect your self and starve your own people so they will have no need to attack! And even if they do they will have to use nukes too, so all of the people will be too dead to notice how hungry they are and the victor wins a really big carpark where no food can grow.
More starving people? No, there all toast so no problem there.
Obvious once it’s explained isn’t it?

Dang! Now why didn't I think of that?

[myvice]

I think that this bulletfund idea is wrong and sad but you are correct about donating to 3rd world countries when we have poverty in New Zealand. Just look at (Generalizing here but...) South Auckland, Flaxmere, Camberly, Maraenui, Waitara etc etc. Those places are just places I know of and can think of off the top of my head

Damn right! I live in South Auckland and have no money, so send any spare cash to me and I'll go buy a new bike to tiki tour about on and report back any findings.
I can also take it further afield to do a comparison with other places.
God I'm good to you people, how many others would be so willing to spend your money?

As for the "short list" just making a point that it’s not just 3rd world countries that neglect there own in the race for more toys for the local militia.

[Sniper]

Mark, your attempt to make people like you seems to have failed miserably.

I sponsor a child and it makes me feel damn good knowing that no matter what happens, I'll go to bed knowing that there is always someone Im able to look after

[StoneChucker]

As far as I'm concerned,. it should be ILLEGAL to donate money to starving children in Africa/India/wherever the fuck, while we still have poverty in our country. A pox apon anyone who lacks that national pride to donate only to NZ charities instead of pouring money into the 3rd world.

I can agree, for native New Zealanders. But not everyone is native to NZ. As I said, it is probably best to start in one's own country, in some way. That might be what some people think when donating to forreign charities.

[Swoop]

I can agree, for native New Zealanders. But not everyone is native to NZ.

But not ANYONE is native to NZ. We are all migrants.

[riffer]

But not ANYONE is native to NZ. We are all migrants.

FFS. If we are going to bring out that old argument, we can go back to australopithecus and company.

Apologies to any Intelligent-design advocates out there ...

[riffer]

Oh - and one other thing.

We really enjoyed our Chrisco package these holidays...

[Karma]

I sponsor a child and it makes me feel damn good knowing that no matter what happens, I'll go to bed knowing that there is always someone Im able to look after

Even if it's not yourself?

*cough* spark plug *cough*

[terbang]

The only thing you could call poverty in NZ is the bay. Its all a matter of perspective I guess.
Used to do a few overnite stops in Calcutta (Kolkata nowadays) a few years back. The first one gave me a few shocks when I saw the small children outside the airport that were crippled and begging for money. They were all broken up like they had been in some sort of accident and I asked our handler as to what had happened. His reply that a lot of them had been intentionally crippled by family (?) in an attempt to give tham some sort of survival chance absolutely floored me (bear in mind that I was living in Jakarta at the time and no stranger to the third world) . After emptying my pockets of all sorts of change I took the crew bus to our accomodation in the palatial TAJ hotel and had a disturbed nights sleep. I flew out a day later with my VIP passengers, who were all complaining about their beds not being comfortable enough, making me realise that my own country was doing just fine.

[durka durka]

i reckon that we should be donating weapons to the poor, who can go out and topple these "corrupt governments", but that's only one idea, corruption is rife throught out the 3rd world, and might I dare say even in the US of A. Once you've lived there and worked it becomes quite simply a paying off game to do business. They just call it tax though. Taking a look at New Zealand and comparing the treatment of our poorest demographic I think it is luxerious compared to the poorest in africa and asia. Solving it starts with motivating the governments in the right direction with diplomacy and UN backing. And it also starts with not just New Zealand but restoring ties with other countries like AUS and UK, and maybe USA. but i dunno i'm only a naive ignorant student who doesn't know anything....meh..donate if you want to, if it makes your day.

edit: btw, i happened to live in indonesia for 15 years so i might know something about corruption...

[terbang]

i i happened to live in indonesia for 15 years so i might know something about corruption...

Mate its a shocker that corruption (Tidak Bagus) and it goes right to the core of the society so I wonder if it can be stopped now..

[skidMark]

living it up mate? good idea

on another note curious george just came over on the ktm duke he just got holy crap i want one sooo cool

[Sniper]

Even if it's not yourself?

*cough* spark plug *cough*

Smart arse

[skidMark]

lol sniper your raxing up the posts tonight easy daisy too much pussy avatars me sees yessss (yoda voice)

ok i better go to bed getting too bored and posting crap...night