why i hate this time of year

[Karma]

Isn't it true that every citizen and resident in NZ qualifies for the benefit/dole?

Nope.. not me.

New Immigrants into the country are not eligable for the dole or anything really (student loans, whatever) for their first two years residence.

During the application you have to prove you can look after yourself, but if the worst happens and my entire family loses all our jobs then the government just buys us a ticket back to the UK I think.

[Jamezo]

I get pissed off when we send money to those fuckers overseas and our own kids go without. what about that stupid sand nigger that got dialysis and kiwis had to miss out. its the same thing.
why do they keep breeding? its a never ending problem. i say neuter them like dogs.

"And the award for todays most hilariously bigoted post goes to......"

*drumroll*

"Village Idiot! Say, aren't you late for a Klan meeting or something?*"



*I watched The Dukes of Hazzard last night, that ruled so hard.

[Biff]

blah, blah, blah

I've heard some bigoted crap here before, but this is the most unfounded piece of bullshit I think I've ever heard on here.

You obviously have never been to these places (that you refer to) or at least bothered to do some basic research before forming such outlandish and inhumane views - because you haven't the vaguest idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thankfully bigots like you are very much in the minority, with the majority of people in the world able to demonstrate compassion, or at least know the facts before forming balanced opinions.

Do you honestly believe that the majority of people who seek help from us are born into "filth" and "poverty"? Have you done any research before placing tens of millions of people into a neat broad category? Do you honestly believe that the millions of people that are hacked to death, had their limbs cut off, raped, starved, imprisoned every year because of corrupt govt, civil war and bigots like you give birth because they only want hand outs?

Have you been to a country such as Ghana or Bikini Faso where sudden climatic changes can destroy crop harvests for years, causing hundreds of thousand of people to starve to death?



"The problem with many people today is that they form opinions based on gossip, underlying rascist views, selective journalism and the opinions of their peers. If they bothered to find out what is actually the truth, how inhumane humans can be to fellow humans and the utter devastation that some diseases can be in under developed countries, there may just be a chance to help the majority of the people in need out of their predicament....

...unfortunately these people are often lazy, comfortable in their cosy life, coseted by social care structures, have a secure income and are of a certain generation, yet utterly naiive to the ways of the world. Thankfully these people are slowly being replaced by a younger generation who make the effort, and appear far more capable and able to filter the utter rubbish from the the truth."

Dr Stephen Lewis - UN Special Envoy.

[terbang]

I've heard some bigoted crap here before, but this is the most unfounded piece of bullshit I think I've ever heard on here.

You obviously have never been to these places (that you refer to) or at least bothered to do some basic research before forming such outlandish and inhumane views - because you haven't the vaguest idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thankfully bigots like you are very much in the minority, with the majority of people in the world able to demonstrate compassion, or at least know the facts before forming balanced opinions.


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Biff I couldn't agree more and it stunns me to read some of these posts here in the 21st century.

I have spent a fair bit of time working contracts in the third world and like a lot of others it does change your views. I believe knowledge is power and all I see here from quite a few posters is ignorance (makes you look like complete dicks). If people are going to flap their jaws about something that they have no or limited exprience in then they will easily be exposed for what they really are, Ignoramus.
I suggest some of you guys here get out and see a bit more of the world for yourselves rather than what is offered on CNN & BBC and I guarantee your views will change.
The only reason you guys get inflamed by such ads on TV over those that drivel on selling insurance or perhaps fizzy drinks with stupid phrases ETC is that, deep down (we all know), your sense of humanity has been pricked and you are feeling uncomfortable with your own guilt.

[Lias]

Genuine poverty in New Zealand? Give me a fucking break.

Poverty on the same scale as the 3rd world? No, we dont.. But we surely do have poverty in this country. Seen any homeless people lately? Seen streetkids sleeping in the parks? Seen families living in houses without electricity? Seen the demand for foodbanks etc? Seen the number of families who rely on charity meals at xmas time? Seen how many people the sallies etc clothe, feed, and care for on a yearly basis?
Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN. As a nation, our first and only concern is the citizens of our country, and until every single citizen lives comfortably ,there should be not once cent of aid for anyone overseas. Even then, the aid should go to our allies and fellow commonwealth nations before it goes anywhere else.
I'm perfectly serious in my wish for aid groups like TearFund, World Vision etc to be made illegal in NZ, they do NOTHING for our country, and exist just to suck funds from our economy into hands of people whom this nation owes nothing. The organisers should be rounded up, jailed for theft, then deported to live in the countries they seem to love so much.

[MisterD]

Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN. As a nation, our first and only concern is the citizens of our country

Bollocks, of course it's our concern. If you think that bad stuff stays localised you're deluding yourself, why do you think there are so many people trying to get out of third world countries and grab a slice of our comfy first-world lives?

It's cheaper to help them out where they are, than house them here.

I just get p-ed off with being lectured by rich celebrities on what I should do with my money...

[Lias]

It's cheaper to help them out where they are, than house them here.

Its cheaper still to not give them a goddamn cent!

[terbang]

Poverty in another nation, especially a 3rd world nation is NOT OUR CONCERN.

Individual->Family->Town->County->Nation->PLANET

Open your eyes Lias you generally have to die if you want to leave it.

If you think we have poverty in NZ a couple of grand in arfares (more than a lot of people earn in a lifetime) will allow you to see real pverty. Guaranteed to change your views.

[Lias]

Individual->Family->Town->County->Nation->PLANET

Open your eyes Lias you generally have to die if you want to leave it.

If you think we have poverty in NZ a couple of grand in arfares (more than a lot of people earn in a lifetime) will allow you to see real pverty. Guaranteed to change your views.

Family->Friends->Nation is more like it, certainly I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole, but then again I'm a nationalist, as are most of my friends. I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

[Jamezo]

Very Bad Things happen when people forget that they are human beings first, and citizens of a country second. That is all.

[terbang]

Family->Friends->Nation is more like it, certainly I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole, but then again I'm a nationalist, as are most of my friends. I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

Lias the "N" in the acronym NAZI stood for "National" (English) and we all know where Nationalism went there..!

[terbang]

I, and most people I know feel no responability for the planet as a whole.
I'm no more concerned about children dieing in Africa than I am about leaves falling off a tree, they mean nothing to me.

Fucking unbelievable for one so young..Were doomed here dunnunder...

So therefore Lias (correct me if I am misunderstanding you) if New Zealand were to be attacked by another Nation or be faced with a Natural disaster that threatened you and your friends lives and thrust you into extreme poverty (because it would) you wouldn't want other countries (those people of our planet) to offer any assistance because they should feel no responsibility for what happens on our planet?
We rely on the rest of the world for our livelihood, we don't have oil/mineral rescources and rely on our produce/tourism traded to the rest of the world to maintain our quality of life. We are just a wee Island way down under with a very small population that could not sustain your lifestyle if we went it alone.
The rest of the world could probably do without us Kiwi's (some don't even know we exist) but at present we certainly can't do without them. So it is an investment in our own interest to show some interest in the way the world is.

[Indiana_Jones]

Lias the "N" in the acronym NAZI stood for "National" (English) and we all know where Nationalism went there..!

Funny you should mention that, I'm reading 'mein kampf' at the moment, and some of Hitler's views make sense to me including how he goes on about lack of national pride.

I don't see many schools with NZ flags and singing the national anthem every assembly hiel!

-Indy

[Jamezo]

Funny you should mention that, I'm reading 'mein kampf' at the moment, and some of Hitler's views make sense to me including how he goes on about lack of national pride.

I don't see many schools with NZ flags and singing the national anthem every assembly hiel!

-Indy

Nationalism is just another tool of the borgouise, to get working people to deny the interests of their common man in favour of that of the state-capitalist sector.

Feel free to be proud of what a great place we have here, but learn to look past the banner-waving and rhetoric, and look at the way nationalism affects the relationship between citizens and formal power structures.

[Lias]

So therefore Lias (correct me if I am misunderstanding you) if New Zealand were to be attacked by another Nation or be faced with a Natural disaster that threatened you and your friends lives and thrust you into extreme poverty you wouldn't want other countries (those people of our planet) to offer any assistance because they should feel no responsibility for what happens on our planet?

I would not expect any aid from those nations that are not our allies. Other nations owe us nothing.

People tend to lump all Nationalists in with the Nazis, but I much prefer to take Switzerland as an example. Switzerland is in many ways the ultimate Nationalist state. They have no desires to expand outside their borders, but they will defend their borders with exceptional viguour. They have a HUGE milita (aprox 1/5th of the population) with all males 18-49 being required to do military service , and only a madman would try and invade them.