Guns and Shooting.

[Swoop]

308 Saiga Carbine. Based on the ak47 action.

7.62x39 Norinco SKS. I think also based on the ak47.

Both semi auto's, good reliable all rounders apparently, and great as bush guns. I'm leaning toward the 308 at the moment but it doesn't come with a scope which is another $299. Any advice?

What will be your area of shooting? Open flat land or in the bush?
Decide these first.
Other comments are very relevant. A good bolt action is a great move. Don't eliminate a lever action 30.30 if in the scrub to quickly either...

Your AK actioned choices are both .308 but the SKS is the shorter version in 7.62x39mm.
Saiga = average...
SKS (if you are in the bush) is ample up to 150yds max.
Scopes. If you want a scope on your SKS look at FULLAUTOMAN's listings on trademe. He has a nice compact scope on mounts for bugger all $$$!
Have just put one on my goat rifle & it's shit hot!!! Ejected rounds go up in front of the scope - so no worries there.
Best of luck with your search!

[scumdog]

If you are a fan of .308, yet want a short bush gun, then you can't beat a Miruku lever action. They are tough, light, very accurate (watched a mate pop a deer at about 200m across a valley) and can take a scope well.

Not a bad choice, remember, a removable magazine is a good safety aspect!! (and it makes loading a shit-load faster when you see that unexpected deer on the road home!)
Stick with the 308 calibre, it's a great 'all round' calibre - bush and open country and can be got in bullet weights from 110grn (not recommended) to 220grn (overkill). 175grn is a good weight for most shooting.

A 303 with a GOOD barrel and scope with a proper sporting stock is a good 'starters' rifle - but cheap ammo for it ain't as available any more.

[Grahameeboy]

Don't like guns....shoot the lot of you!!!!

[scumdog]

Don't like guns....shoot the lot of you!!!!

Each to their own - safer than motorbikes though!!

Just another 'fun' thing eh!

[Beemer]

Yep heard a lot of good things about that deadeye dicks. Sposed to be a bit of a mission to find the place though.

Nope - really easy to find! It's in Heatherlea East Road - head north out of Levin and about 2-3kms past the 100km zone there is a sweeping left-hand corner with two roads leading off to the right - Heatherlea East is the first of the two. They don't have the house number listed in the phone book but there is a sign out the front.

[sels1]

And to balance up this redneck thread...

Each to their own - safer than motorbikes though!!

Just another 'fun' thing eh!

Guns could be a fun thing at a riflerange shooting at targets - But if think it is "fun" to kill things then you would be....well...let me say it with a quote from renown biologist R. Carson:

"Until we havethe courage to recognise cruelty for what it is - whether its victim is human or animal - we cannot expect things to be much better in this world...we cannot have peace among men whose hearts delight in killing any living creature. By every act that glorifies or even tolorates such moronic delight in killing we set back the progress of humanity"



BTW, you Christian(s) who posted in this thread....what happened to the 6th Commandment - "Thou shall not kill"????


(Scottish thread coming......)

[scumdog]

And to balance up this redneck thread...



Guns could be a fun thing at a riflerange shooting at targets - But if think it is "fun" to kill things then you would be....well...let me say it with a quote from renown biologist R. Carson:

"Until we havethe courage to recognise cruelty for what it is - whether its victim is human or animal - we cannot expect things to be much better in this world...we cannot have peace among men whose hearts delight in killing any living creature. By every act that glorifies or even tolorates such moronic delight in killing we set back the progress of humanity"



BTW, you Christian(s) who posted in this thread....what happened to the 6th Commandment - "Thou shall not kill"????


(Scottish thread coming......)

So I take it you don't eat meat, wear leather or mind pest animals being poisoned instead of shot?? or have bugs splat on your visor either???

The things I shoot I eat - except for the street signs, electric insulators etc!!

[Drunken Monkey]

R. Carson is obviously a biologist who slept during his "101" lectures on adrenaline and endorphins.

[TraD_MaN]

my LeeEnfield is in mint condition, the only thing that has been done to it is the wooden stock has been cut down the barrel a bit, the barrel has had 15 shots thru it so the bore is mint

[Wolf]

Guns could be a fun thing at a riflerange shooting at targets - But if think it is "fun" to kill things then you would be....well...let me say it with a quote from renown biologist R. Carson:

"Until we havethe courage to recognise cruelty for what it is - whether its victim is human or animal - we cannot expect things to be much better in this world...we cannot have peace among men whose hearts delight in killing any living creature. By every act that glorifies or even tolorates such moronic delight in killing we set back the progress of humanity"

BTW, you Christian(s) who posted in this thread....what happened to the 6th Commandment - "Thou shall not kill"????

Carson is obviously some species of vegan or a hypocrite. Either he uses no animal products at all (ignoring the fact that even a bread-and-water diet involves the deaths of millions of micro-organisms) or he is full of shit and prefers to pretend that steak he is eating was not once a living animal - it's easy to sit on moral high ground when it was someone else who actually did the killing, skinning and cleaning and all you have to do is stick it on the grill and tuck into a bit of prime beef.

As to cruelty: I have hunted for food, I have hunted pests and I have euthanased ailing animals. My compassion and humanity manifests itself in the mercy of a quick, clean kill.

Few people delight in causing suffering to living things, those of us who hunt tend to try to be as humane as possible and do not delight in an animal's anguish should the first shot not dispatch the animal swiftly.

Carson is a wanker talking out of a hole in his arse if he thinks hunting is based around cruelty. I sincerely hope that one day he is alone somewhere in tiger country and finds himself stalked by a maneater - for he is nothing more than a food-animal and would best serve this planet by providing sustenance for a member of an endangered species. And I doubt the tiger would care much if Carson suffered as it rips his throat out or disembowels him.

But of course, you could be right, it probably would be much better if we lived on tofu and mung beans and it's best if New Zealand's forests and bird life are obliterated by possums, stoats, feral cats, pigs, goats and deer and the bloody South Islanders are just a pack of moaners whinging on about the rabbits destroying their livelihood and it's best if we just let nature take its course and let the dog or cat die slowly and in pain from cancer or terrible injuries because, damnit, guns are just so cruel.

[Velox]

And to balance up this redneck thread...

Guns could be a fun thing at a riflerange shooting at targets - But if think it is "fun" to kill things then you would be....well...let me say it with a quote from renown biologist R. Carson:

"Until we havethe courage to recognise cruelty for what it is - whether its victim is human or animal - we cannot expect things to be much better in this world...we cannot have peace among men whose hearts delight in killing any living creature. By every act that glorifies or even tolorates such moronic delight in killing we set back the progress of humanity"

BTW, you Christian(s) who posted in this thread....what happened to the 6th Commandment - "Thou shall not kill"????

(Scottish thread coming......)

God told people to eat animals so by that commandment you mentioned he obviously wasn't meaning don't kill animals. I think we live in a 'fallen world' and have to make the best of it - and so pest control and hunting for sport isn't cruel. But I agree with you - I hate animals suffering, and so I try to finish them off as quickly as pos. In saying that I don't think we were 'originally' meant to kill animals and there's something 'wrong' about it but I def think that it's necessary and morally fine now (argh - save that for the Scottish thread). I reckon it's more in the attitude than the act.

[N4CR]

Myself and a freind are thinking of getting our gun liscences and starting hunting as a hobby. I have had a bit of time on .22s shooting rabbits and not a whole lot else.

From what I can see a .308 seems to be a decent gun for most things, or is it just too big for a newb? I don't want to spend too much, mabey $500 or so for a first gun.

Anyone care to give me a brief rundown on the whole hunting rules and ways to go around it (where and when what how etc). I'm just investigating more before I decide to take the jump.

Cheers.

P.s. Keep it on topic please.

[Grahameeboy]

Each to their own - safer than motorbikes though!!

Just another 'fun' thing eh!

It was really a tougue in cheek comment but the follow ups....geeze what did I start.......

[Lou Girardin]

The anti's don't really want animals not to be killed. They just don't want anyone to enjoy doing it.

[TraD_MaN]

Myself and a freind are thinking of getting our gun liscences and starting hunting as a hobby. I have had a bit of time on .22s shooting rabbits and not a whole lot else.

From what I can see a .308 seems to be a decent gun for most things, or is it just too big for a newb? I don't want to spend too much, mabey $500 or so for a first gun.

Anyone care to give me a brief rundown on the whole hunting rules and ways to go around it (where and when what how etc). I'm just investigating more before I decide to take the jump.

Cheers.

P.s. Keep it on topic please.

.308 is a good choice, huge range of bullet grain options aswell , have a look on the bullet charts if you can at a local gun store or where ever...
just like shooting 3inch mags out of the shotty im only lil and i have no problam so its fine for a newbi. also .243 are very nice aswell. as far as hunting goes just use some common scence thats all it is realy, eg dont shoot at shapes or objects or even sounds... go to DOC and the give you all the hunting access points to go hunting, unless you can get on to some farm land you'll be sweet...

ps, if you want some real fun get a bow, you can shoot any thing from rats to big wapit down south with the same setup, awesome fun up there with bikes